Shared coat of arms

[emjsw]

The eldest son would inherit the arms on the death of his father, and so on down the line. During the father's lifetime, all the sons could use the arms but with a 'difference'. That way no one could confuse people. Who was the father?, who was the son?

Hi Chas,
I hope you are well.
You mentioned with a 'difference', if I have understood correctly this might mean the father is still alive?
I am trying to draw the Frere coat of arms (to determine their family tree & who the grandparents might be). 1 of the 6 quarters uses 3 buckles or a mullet for a difference, perhaps that means they are related to the son of who ever was awarded the arms and that the awardee is still alive?
https://archive.org/details/visitationsofcou57harv/page/n158/mode/1up?q=Frere quarter 4
Best wishes, Emma

Each of the 6 quarters relates to a different family:
Q1 = Frere
Q2 = Pymm
Q3 = Porter
Q4 = (not named)
Q5 = Bustard
Q6 = Bamfield

Only Q4 has a mullet for difference; none of the other 5 do.

Hi,
Thank you very much for your message and for taking a look at the descriptions.
Best wishes,
Emma

[emjsw]

Hello,
I now have an image of the mysterious quarter 4 of the shield I mentioned.
In the Heralds visitation it was listed as 3 buckles Or? I can see why there was the '?' as it looks to me like a knot, however looking at lists of knots I can't find anything like it. Does anyone know what it is called please?

The image came from Thomas Dingley’s History from Marble and I would like to thank Oxford Family History Centre for bringing it to my attention.

Best wishes
Emma

[Cats1723]

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[KGarrad]

Try:
A GLOSSARY OF TERMS USED IN HERALDRY
by JAMES PARKER

Relevant page:
https://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/Jpglossb.htm

As buckles of various forms occurred in heraldry it became necessary to mention the shape. An arming-buckle is in the form of a lozenge.

        Azure, an arming-buckle argent, between three boar's heads or--FERGUSON, Kilkerran.
        Argent, three lozenge-(or mascle-, or arming-)buckles gules--JERNINGHAM or JERNEGAN, Suff.
        Argent, a fesse sable in the dexter chief a square buckle gules--GILBY.

    We find besides, square buckles, circular buckles, and even oval buckles figured. In some examples the tongues are turned to the dexter, in others to the sinister; and to the variety of buckles may be added the gar buckle(possibly contraction for garter buckles), and the belt-buckle.

        Sable, three round buckles argent, tongues pendent--JODDREL, Cheshire.
        Azure, three gar-buckles argent(possibly garter-buckles)--STUKELEY.
        Argent, a chevron between three circular buckles sable--TRECOTHIK.
        Or, a lion rampant gules; over all on a bend wavy sable an oval buckle tongue upwards, between two mascles argent--SPENCE, Edinburgh.
        Argent, three belt-buckles sable--SAPCOTT.
        Argent, a fesse azure between three belt-buckles gules--BRADLEY.

[emjsw]

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Thank you very much 😊

[emjsw]

Try:
A GLOSSARY OF TERMS USED IN HERALDRY
by JAMES PARKER

Relevant page:
https://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/Jpglossb.htm

As buckles of various forms occurred in heraldry it became necessary to mention the shape. An arming-buckle is in the form of a lozenge.

        Azure, an arming-buckle argent, between three boar's heads or--FERGUSON, Kilkerran.
        Argent, three lozenge-(or mascle-, or arming-)buckles gules--JERNINGHAM or JERNEGAN, Suff.
        Argent, a fesse sable in the dexter chief a square buckle gules--GILBY.

    We find besides, square buckles, circular buckles, and even oval buckles figured. In some examples the tongues are turned to the dexter, in others to the sinister; and to the variety of buckles may be added the gar buckle(possibly contraction for garter buckles), and the belt-buckle.

        Sable, three round buckles argent, tongues pendent--JODDREL, Cheshire.
        Azure, three gar-buckles argent(possibly garter-buckles)--STUKELEY.
        Argent, a chevron between three circular buckles sable--TRECOTHIK.
        Or, a lion rampant gules; over all on a bend wavy sable an oval buckle tongue upwards, between two mascles argent--SPENCE, Edinburgh.
        Argent, three belt-buckles sable--SAPCOTT.
        Argent, a fesse azure between three belt-buckles gules--BRADLEY.

Hi,
Thanks for getting back to me with this.
I have looked at all the coat of arms mentioned and sadly none looked like those in the image! I think they are very unusual as I have looked on line at all of the knots too and they don't look like any of them either.
Thanks for the link though has been very handy for finding out about the humets I was looking for.