Parish records for La Châtaigneraie ?

[JenNZL]

This feels like a useful bit of information to have too:

(can't figure out how to insert a screenshot so typing out the text)

"Il est probable qu'aux registres de réfuge certains fugitifs indiquaient comme lieu d'origine non leur paroisse particulière mais le siège de leur prêche [sp??] réformé."

(Link here):

https://archives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr/ark:/28387/vta6d86523fff26829d/daoloc/0/1?id=https%3A%2F%2Farchives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr%2Fark%3A%2F28387%2Fvta6d86523fff26829d%2Fcanvas%2F0%2F278&vx=1839.21&vy=-3907.57&vr=0&vz=5.52889

Then on the following pages there appear to be lists pertaining to this. Can anyone help to unpick what the lists indicate? I'm guessing that the first column in red is the village / location, and the one in blue indicates the locations of the reformed church or something?

Might this offer clues as to which records to dig into next, I wonder?

[joger]

This feels like a useful bit of information to have too:

(can't figure out how to insert a screenshot so typing out the text)

"Il est probable qu'aux registres de réfuge certains fugitifs indiquaient comme lieu d'origine non leur paroisse particulière mais le siège de leur prêche [sp??] réformé."

(Link here):



https://archives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr/ark:/28387/vta6d86523fff26829d/daoloc/0/1?id=https%3A%2F%2Farchives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr%2Fark%3A%2F28387%2Fvta6d86523fff26829d%2Fcanvas%2F0%2F278&vx=1839.21&vy=-3907.57&vr=0&vz=5.52889

Then on the following pages there appear to be lists pertaining to this. Can anyone help to unpick what the lists indicate? I'm guessing that the first column in red is the village / location, and the one in blue indicates the locations of the reformed church or something?

Might this offer clues as to which records to dig into next, I wonder?

"Il est probable qu'aux registres de refuge certains fugitifs indiquaient comme lieu d'origine non leur paroisse particulière mais le siège de leur prêche réformé"
For example :  a protestant lived in a small village (A )where there was no protestant minister, he had to go to the nearest village (B) where there was one . In England when asked where did he came from he answered : from B.


Page 277 :

in red : the parish
in blue: the village
they aren't always the same , for example :

[joger]

Re the codes and other information, it looks like the X's in column 6 and 11 (key on p 350) mean:

6: a été mauvais converti, catholique preverti [not sure about the exact spelling of this word; it's hard to read], opiniâtre dans la foi reformé, militant, ou membres des églises aux 16ème et 17ème siècles.

11. a quitté le royaume pour la réligion [...]



Does 6 imply a forced abjuration at some point? Or am I misunderstanding "mauvais converti" ?

Yes indeed it implies an unsincere abjuration. And it was in Poitou that he first "dragonnades" took place :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonnades

[joger]

Can anyone help to decipher this? I think it's the marriage of Pierre Mandineau, son of Pierre Mandineau et Marguerite Ruaud, who would (if that's the case) potentially be the brother of Jean.

I can pick out a word here and there but I'm struggling to decipher the entirety. Does anyone have good eyes for this kind of thing?

https://etatcivil-archives.vendee.fr/ark:/22574/s00603ca81a4a614/603ca81b8e689

(it's p 437 / 489, in case the link doesn't go to the specific spot)

it is a "contrat de mariage" between Pierre Mandineau  (tisserand =weaver), son of Pierre Mandineau and Marguerite Ruau, and Elizabeth Marailleau .

They also promise to marry in a catholic church.

[JenNZL]

Re the codes and other information, it looks like the X's in column 6 and 11 (key on p 350) mean:

6: a été mauvais converti, catholique preverti [not sure about the exact spelling of this word; it's hard to read], opiniâtre dans la foi reformé, militant, ou membres des églises aux 16ème et 17ème siècles.

11. a quitté le royaume pour la réligion [...]



Does 6 imply a forced abjuration at some point? Or am I misunderstanding "mauvais converti" ?

Yes indeed it implies an unsincere abjuration. And it was in Poitou that he first "dragonnades" took place :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragonnades

Thank you! I suppose that having a tick in that column might imply that this is something I can find somewhere in the archives for Jean. Will keep hunting.

[JenNZL]

This feels like a useful bit of information to have too:

(can't figure out how to insert a screenshot so typing out the text)

"Il est probable qu'aux registres de réfuge certains fugitifs indiquaient comme lieu d'origine non leur paroisse particulière mais le siège de leur prêche [sp??] réformé."

(Link here):



https://archives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr/ark:/28387/vta6d86523fff26829d/daoloc/0/1?id=https%3A%2F%2Farchives-deux-sevres-vienne.fr%2Fark%3A%2F28387%2Fvta6d86523fff26829d%2Fcanvas%2F0%2F278&vx=1839.21&vy=-3907.57&vr=0&vz=5.52889

Then on the following pages there appear to be lists pertaining to this. Can anyone help to unpick what the lists indicate? I'm guessing that the first column in red is the village / location, and the one in blue indicates the locations of the reformed church or something?

Might this offer clues as to which records to dig into next, I wonder?

"Il est probable qu'aux registres de refuge certains fugitifs indiquaient comme lieu d'origine non leur paroisse particulière mais le siège de leur prêche réformé"
For example :  a protestant lived in a small village (A )where there was no protestant minister, he had to go to the nearest village (B) where there was one . In England when asked where did he came from he answered : from B.


Page 277 :

in red : the parish
in blue: the village
they aren't always the same , for example :

Ah, thank you! Very helpful.

[JenNZL]

Can anyone make out the names of the witnesses and their familial connections in this document? It's the marriage of Françoise MANDINEAU and Jean JAMIN in nearby Mouilleron-en-Pareds, and it caught my eye because Françoise is listed as "nouvel converti".

Thought I'd poke about and see if I can build up her family and see if my Jean is connected, but I'm struggling to read the last bit where the witnesses and their relationships are named. I can spot two Mandineaus amongst them though.

https://etatcivil-archives.vendee.fr/ark:/22574/s005dd2c5d012a68/5dd2c5d021cd7

[JenNZL]

Ooh, and another one. The abjuration of Pierre MANDINEAU, from Bazoges-en-Pareds, in La Châtaigneraie in 1688. At least I think so?

https://etatcivil-archives.vendee.fr/ark:/22574/s005dd2a3a7e9819/5dfc7a61795c4

[JenNZL]

Starting to put together a bit of an interesting picture here. Wondering if anyone can help me with deciphering a bit of detail in the text of these marriage contracts, particularly the parts that detail where each family lives and their local parish? The documents themselves (I think??) are listed in the archives as being from La Châtaigneraie, but within there seems to be further detail about where specifically the families were from.

Any help much appreciated!



I have:

1721: Anne MANDINEAU (fille de Pierre MANDINEAU et Marguerite RUAD) m Isaac GIRARD

https://etatcivil-archives.vendee.fr/ark:/22574/s0060474d0ba9a0f/60474d0c375ce

Very hard to read but it looks like the Mandineau family is living in ?? Village of L'Aisses? Parish of ?? Breuil-Bernard??? (edited to add: I've found Breuil-Bernard very close to Moncoutant, but I'm still unsure of the name of the village that comes before that.)

It also looks like "fille de defunt Pierre Mandineau" so I'm guessing he's dead by this point? (in fact I think I have his potential death record here:)

https://etatcivil-archives.vendee.fr/ark:/22574/s005dd2a34cc91cb/5dd2a3a9d7b39


1725: Jeanne MANDINEAU (fille de Pierre MANDINEAU et Marguerite RUAD) m Jacques GUYNOT

https://etatcivil-archives.vendee.fr/ark:/22574/s00603ca81a4a614/603ca81ae7ccc

This one I really struggle to read the locations, but is it wishful thinking that there's a part that looks like "paroisse de Moncoutant"? in there?

1726: Pierre MANDINEAU (fils de Pierre MANDINEAU et Marguerite RUAD)m Elisabeth MARAILLEAU

https://etatcivil-archives.vendee.fr/ark:/22574/s00603ca81a4a614/603ca81b8e689

This one also looks like it says "paroisse de Moncoutant"

1727: Marie MANDINEAU (fille de Pierre MANDINEAU et Marguerite RUAD) m Jean GINDREAU

https://etatcivil-archives.vendee.fr/ark:/22574/s00603bb861bb8aa/603bb861f02e7

Also this one, though it maybe looks like "Bourg de Moncoutant"



Jean Mandineau is conspicuously absent from this series of marriages (which constitutes all the siblings I could find of his.)

I did find this reference which threw me off the scent for a bit:

https://etatcivil-archives.vendee.fr/ark:/22574/s006039184fd38a6/6039184feab0a

...but I'm almost certain this is a different Jean Mandineau, because when his first wife dies in 1752 she is listed as 68 years old, and when he dies in 1767 he is listed as 78 years old, which doesn't tally with Jean (son of Pierre and Marguerite) being born in 1701.

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All of which is to say...if anyone can help with deciphering the locations in this text, it would be much appreciated and might get me one step closer to locating my Jean Mandineau.

Thanks!