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Brownlee/Miller
« on: Sunday 18 February 24 18:52 GMT (UK) »
Hello! New to Rootschat, excited to be here. I am looking for help to build my Granny's tree (Eileen Drennan NEE Brownlee)

I have her parents and grandparents - I know, what else do I need and want?! I've got a decent start, but on other family trees, I'm able to go back several generations, so this tree needs some work. Any insight would be appreciated!

Father
William Brownlee
BIRTH: 28 OCT 1895 Belfast, Ireland
DEATH: 23 SEP 1943 Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland
Parents: William Brownlee (Born abt 1861 Lisburn, Ireland) and Jane Smyth (Born abt 1862 Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland) **whos father was William Smyth - no other info

Mother
Annie Miller (Millar?)
BIRTH: October 7, 1899
DEATH:23 Nov 1979, 7 Howe St, Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland
Parents - William H. Miller 1881-1951 and Elizabeth Bell 1881-1951

Thank you,

Steph




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Re: Brownlee/Miller
« Reply #1 on: Monday 26 February 24 09:29 GMT (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat.

It is always best to check original records rather that other trees, whilst this can be helpful, they are not always correct.
This is the marriage record on https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
Sadly both were born before civil birth records began in 1864 but you can check for earlier records on same site.

WILLIAM BROWNLEE bricklayer, father Thos. Brownlee shop assistant?
Married Linenhall St. Church Belfast 11 April 1884

JANE SMYTH spinster, father Wm Smyth carpenter
Both of full age and both signed.
Witnesses Joseph Haughton & Ginnie Clarke
 
Group Registration ID 2283615

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Re: Brownlee/Miller
« Reply #2 on: Monday 26 February 24 09:53 GMT (UK) »
Mother
Annie Miller (Millar?)
BIRTH: October 7, 1899
DEATH:23 Nov 1979, 7 Howe St, Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland
Parents - William H. Miller 1881-1951 and Elizabeth Bell 1881-1951

Steph

How sure are you on this information. I do not see a birth for Annie or the parents marriage at age 18?

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Re: Brownlee/Miller
« Reply #3 on: Monday 26 February 24 10:59 GMT (UK) »

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Father
William Brownlee

Mother
Annie Miller (Millar?)

You probably have this but here was the marriage of your gt grandparents.
Married 23 December 1919 at St Anne's Parish Church, Belfast.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09690/5514692.pdf

Birth of first child Mary Elizabeth Brownlee - 1 May 1920
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01218/1506704.pdf


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Re: Brownlee/Miller
« Reply #4 on: Monday 26 February 24 16:46 GMT (UK) »
Here is the marriage of William Henry Millar and Lizzie Bell on Christmas Eve 1898, the two fathers were recorded as John Millar a butcher and James Bell a labourer:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10432/5798482.pdf


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Re: Brownlee/Miller
« Reply #5 on: Monday 26 February 24 17:08 GMT (UK) »

Here is the marriage of William Henry Millar and Lizzie Bell on Christmas Eve 1898, the two fathers recorded as John Millar a butcher and James Bell a labourer:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10432/5798482.pdf


William Henry Miller was born at 2 Connolly's Court, Belfast in January 1879, to parents John Miller and Ann Johnston:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02934/2075060.pdf

Although the father John was described in that birth registration as a labourer, the next child Margaret born in September 1880 at 6 Connolly's Court, Belfast, saw him described as a flesher:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02854/2045923.pdf

Bachelor John Miller of Belfast, a flesher, married spinster Ann Johnston of Belfast in Trinity Church of Ireland, Belfast, on 10 February 1878, the two fathers were recorded as Henry Miller a labourer and James Johnston, the witnesses were John Johnston and Mary McVeagh:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11086/8057545.pdf


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Re: Brownlee/Miller
« Reply #6 on: Monday 26 February 24 20:11 GMT (UK) »
Going back to that 1884 marriage of William Brownlee the bricklayer to Jane Smyth, daughter of William Smyth the carpenter, it looks like her father William was married to a Jane. Here's the process to arrive at that...

The year after Jane Smyth married William Brownlee the bricklayer, their names appeared as witnesses to a marriage in Saint Enoch's Presbyterian Church, Belfast, between a John Smyth and Lizzie Kelly, John was described as a joiner, the son of William Smyth a carpenter:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10880/5973849.pdf

BTW, here were John and Elizabeth in 1901 and 1911:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankhill/Keswick_Street/948995/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Agnes_Street/147448/
   
As you can see from the census returns, one of the children that John and Elizabeth had was a daughter Elizabeth, she was born in April 1895 and it's the address that matters - 5 Killarney Street, Belfast:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02219/1837406.pdf

In January the previous year to that birth, a widower William Smyth died at 5 Killarney Street, described as a 62 year old carpenter, the informant providing that information was his son John Smyth, of the same address:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05979/4700226.pdf

William Smyth was buried in plot L2 250 of Belfast City Cemetery, in the same plot were 1 Brownlee, 2 Smyth children and a 55 year old Jane Smyth who died the year before William, the burial record gives that same Killarney Street address for her:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01t0u/

The relevant 1893 death registration for that Jane Smyth confirms that she died at 5 Killarney Street and that she was the 56 year old wife of William Smyth a carpenter, again the informant providing that information was son John Smyth living at that same address:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/06004/4708676.pdf

So it looks like the parents of Jane Smyth who married William Brownlee the bricklayer (and of course of John Smyth who married Lizzie Kelly) were William and Jane Smyth.

A speculative possibility I would hazard for her maiden name is Jamison.  A carpenter called William Smyth of Belfast married a seamstress called Jane Jamison in October 1853 in Berry Street Presbyterian Church, Belfast, the two fathers were given as John Smyth a farmer and John (Jno) Jamison a tailor:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1853/09445/5421793.pdf

A transcript of a baptismal record for Christchurch Church of Ireland church in Belfast shows that an Eliza Jane Smith was baptised on 22 January 1862 (born 15 April 1861) for parents William Smith, a carpenter, and Jane Jamieson of 15 Lagan Street, I wonder if this was Jane who married William Brownlee the bricklayer in 1884?