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Re: Big Problem, need help please
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 24 February 24 11:33 GMT (UK) »
According to transcript for those census both Old Monkland

1861 Margaret place of birth   Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire, Scotland

1851   Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 24 February 24 11:40 GMT (UK) »
in the 1891 census for shotts........margaret's birth is given as, nitshill renfrewshire, she is 65 on this census and son john is 23

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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 24 February 24 11:46 GMT (UK) »
No, 1842 is before the start of civil registration so there isn't a marriage certificate.

There is a birth of a daughter Isabella to James Hardie and Margaret Findlay, on 22 May 1855 at 54 Rosehall Colliery, Old Monkland. Parents James Hardie, 39, ironstone miner, born Cumbernauld, and Margaret Hardie, maiden surname Findlay, 30, born Hurlate, Paisley, Renfrew. Isabella was Margaret's 8th child, and they had 3 boys and 1 girl living and 3 girls dead. (Bonus - I didn't have to shell out any credits because I had already coughed up to view another birth on the same page :) )

1851 Census (transcription only) in Old Monkland: James Hardie, 32, born Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire; wife Margaret, 25, born Paisley, Renfrewshire; James, 7; Charles, 3; Margaret, 5 months; all born Old Monkland.

1861 Census in Old Monkland: James Hardie, 45, born Cambuslang*, Dunbartonshire; wife Margaret, 35, born Pollokshaws, Renfrewshire; James, 17; Charles, 12; Margaret, 10, William, 8; Isabella, 6; Robert, 4; Mary, 11 months, all born Old Monkland.

*Classic case of why you always need to look at the original. Cambuslang is not in Dunbartonshire, but Cumbernauld is. So this looks like a dud transcription.

1871 Census in Shotts: James Hardy 53, born Cambernauld, Dunbartonshire; wife Margaret, 45, born Nilshall (sic transcription but compare with birthplace in 1891), Renfrewshire; Charles, 23; William, 18; Isabella, 16; Robert, 13; Mary, 10; John, 4.

1881 Census in Shotts: James Hardie, 66, born Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire; wife Margaret, 55 born Barrhead, Renfrewshire; Robert, 23; John, 14.

1891 Census in Shotts: Margaret Hardie, widow, 65, born Nitshill, Renfrewshire; son John, 23.

Can't find her in 1901, but her age is absolutely consistent throughout with a birth in 1825/1826 in Renfrewshire. So she was certainly older than 76 when she died. That still makes her pretty young when she married, but well over 3 years old.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 24 February 24 11:57 GMT (UK) »
yes, thank you, so about 16, 17, age when married, so......i am in  australia, and on the  different census saying different places she was born?....are they in same area/ close by?......and still baffled by the 1839 christening on SP with supposed parents names............sorry, but spent my limit on credits today, so waiting for next pay to get a look at that..............even looking for anything on her stated parents is a big fat zero......goodness me !!!!! hee hee


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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 24 February 24 11:58 GMT (UK) »

For example there is a James and Margaret Hardie living in Shotts in the 1881 Census she is 55 and he is 66 (her place of birth is given as Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire)

That is James' birthplace, Margaret is still going with Renfrewshire.

James and Margaret do not appear to have baptised any of their children born before 1855 either.

Debra  :)

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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 24 February 24 12:19 GMT (UK) »
on the  different census saying different places she was born?....are they in same area/ close by?
Yes, roughly.

Using www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk ....
Nitshill is in the parish of (Paisley) Abbey
Hurlet is also in (Paisley) Abbey parish
Pollokshaws is in the parish of Eastwood
Barhead is in the parish of Neilston.

As you can see from https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=15.0&lat=55.81000&lon=-4.38216&layers=257&b=1 Nitshell, Hurlet and Barrhead are all within a mile or two of one another. Pollokshaws is a couple of miles further east.
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« Reply #15 on: Saturday 24 February 24 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Thank you.

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« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 28 February 24 11:44 GMT (UK) »
this is the christening i found so doesnt make sense

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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 28 February 24 11:45 GMT (UK) »
oops sorry that was so big, i not good at uploading