Twin BARNES brothers 1920 Camberwell. Who was their father?

[elliot]

Mabel Bagshawe thanks for the heads up about Rosa's professional name which led me to this:

https://www.davidlay.co.uk/news/the-interesting-life-of-garlick-barnes/

which refers to her filmmaker sons, William and John and that she also played a mother in one of their more famous short films ‘The Fatal Shot’, a short thriller about three young bandits and their kidnapping of a young girl. The film is silent and made in 1931 so when they were very young!

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-fatal-shot-1931-online

Excellent new clues via the Garlick Barnes professional name.
 "became a painter later in life after raising her four [] children..."
She probably had her hands full with the twins. 
No luck yet with daughter Joan 1917 Cork.

The painter style does look rather different to the one in the National Portrait Gallery.

[manukarik]

Just going on the names we've been given ... and approximate dates.

[elliot]

POSSIBLE Daughter Joan BARNES 1917 in Yellow?

https://www.davidlay.co.uk/auction/search/?st=garlick-barnes&sto=0&sf=%5B%5D&w=False&pn=1

[Ladyhawk]

Pretty sure this is her fourth child third letter L= Lloyd

BARNES, P  J L mmn CARTER 
GRO Reference: 1927  S Quarter in THANET  Volume 02A  Page 1686

She married in 1952 Pancras

Edit to add - this 1927 birth cert not available as a digital image
As CaroleW mentioned if you want to find fathers name either of the twin boys cert available as a digital image  cost £2.50

[elliot]

Sugar! I thought I'd found a possible marriage that you could follow up:

Rosina M Carter marrying Frederick C Barnes in Southampton, Hampshire  Qtr 4 1914 (Vol 2C Page No 115).

Full names Rosina Maud Carter and Frederick Charles Barnes but they are both in Southampton in 1921. Will have another look.

THANK YOU  for your dogged perservance!

[elliot]

Pretty sure this is her four child third letter L= Lloyd

BARNES, P  J L mmn CARTER 
GRO Reference: 1927  S Quarter in THANET  Volume 02A  Page 1686

She married in 1952 Pancras

LADYHAWK, thankyou for this fourth child,  Rosa does seem to have an affinity with this far corner of Kent. She was also a pupil of Walter Sickert in Thanet.
https://www.davidlay.co.uk/news/the-interesting-life-of-garlick-barnes/

I think that this is her record below, but still no firm identity for her BARNES father!

Pamela Judith Lloyd Barnes
1927–1994
BIRTH 3 JUN 1927 • THANET Kent
DEATH 25 MAY 1994 • Dorking Surrey England

[Dundee]

Rosa Garlick Carter
BIRTH 19 APR 1891 • London, England

There is no such person, do you know what her birth name was or is that something you are trying to find out?

Debra 

[heywood]

GRO online indexes showing middle names and mothers maiden name
as CaroleW mentioned you can get a digital image cost £2.50

BARNES, JOHN  STEWART LLOYD    CARTER 
GRO Reference: 1920  S Quarter in CAMBERWELL  Volume 01D  Page 1520

BARNES, WILLIAM  MERVYN LLOYD    CARTER 
GRO Reference: 1920  S Quarter in CAMBERWELL  Volume 01D  Page 1520

This is interesting. I couldn’t make a connection last evening but think there might be now:
Marriage 1939 Chelsea
Dorrien D Saqui and Joan L Barnes

They are in London electoral registers in 1939 but also in Broadstairs

She married again in Penzance.

[manukarik]

Interesting! Does the Lloyd in the children's names suggest the father's surname was also Lloyd?