Twin BARNES brothers 1920 Camberwell. Who was their father?

[heywood]

Possible birth?

June quarter 1917 Lambeth

Joan Lloyd mmn Carter

[Ladyhawk]

Interesting! Does the Lloyd in the children's names suggest the father's surname was also Lloyd?

I was wondering the same .

LADYHAWK, thankyou for this fourth child,  Rosa does seem to have an affinity with this far corner of Kent. She was also a pupil of Walter Sickert in Thanet.
https://www.davidlay.co.uk/news/the-interesting-life-of-garlick-barnes/

I think that this is her record below, but still no firm identity for her BARNES father!

Pamela Judith Lloyd Barnes
1927–1994
BIRTH 3 JUN 1927 • THANET Kent
DEATH 25 MAY 1994 • Dorking Surrey England

Yes that is her, I didn’t give her full name as hadn’t established if there was a death last night

Elliot the last part of your message identifying the father, if you can’t find a marriage obtaining the digital image b/c from GRO online indexes of one of her twins should hopefully name him 🤞
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

[manukarik]

Couldn't watch the film, The Fatal Shot, on the BFI website without signing up, but here's another link that works without sign up:

https://screenarchive.brighton.ac.uk/detail/1122/

There's a Pamela Barnes in the credits - is this the 2nd daughter? William referred to as Bill, but what is confusing me is that Garlick is referred to as Bill and John Barnes' sister.

This is a link to their other films:

https://screenarchive.brighton.ac.uk/collection/46/?page=1

Not sure if these are the right people - just going on info provided so far and names seem to fit.

[heywood]

https://screenarchive.brighton.ac.uk/detail/13787/

Another film showing Rose.

[elliot]

Greetings Heywood,
This has a good close up of Rosa painting a portrait at 1.33 minutes in.

A Filmic Review No: 1
https://screenarchive.brighton.ac.uk/detail/1114/

I too wonder about the middle names of LLOYD and also GARLICK which Rosa seems to strongly identify with as it is painted boldly on her studio door.

[Dundee]

There's a Pamela Barnes in the credits - is this the 2nd daughter? William referred to as Bill, but what is confusing me is that Garlick is referred to as Bill and John Barnes' sister.

It is just a mistake in the description, the sister was Pamela, the mother 'Garlick'. 

Debra 

[elliot]

Possible birth?

June quarter 1917 Lambeth

Joan Lloyd mmn Carter

HEYWOOD
Previously researchers have the BARNES family in Cork Ireland at the time of Joan's birth, but as yet I have not checked any Irish record. And sadly I do not have access to the 1921 census.

[elliot]

[quote
Elliot the last past of your message identifying the father, if you can’t find a marriage obtaining the digital image b/c from GRO online indexes of one of her twins should hopefully name him 🤞
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
[/quote]
I just get the Certificate choice rather than the digital immage.
"Not all records are available to view as Digital Images, however the record you are searching for may be available as a PDF or certificate"

[Dundee]

I would save up and get all the children's birth certs, as well as their marriages to see if they knew who their father was and if they all name the same person.

Debra