Twin BARNES brothers 1920 Camberwell. Who was their father?

[manukarik]

Thanks for clarifying the error, Debra!

[heywood]

Possible birth?

June quarter 1917 Lambeth

Joan Lloyd mmn Carter

HEYWOOD
Previously researchers have the BARNES family in Cork Ireland at the time of Joan's birth, but as yet I have not checked any Irish record. And sadly I do not have access to the 1921 census.

Yes I saw 1921 index and saw the place of birth. However, I can’t see a birth - Lloyd or Barnes so thought I would post that as an option. I have tried Joan - Barnes/Garlick/Lloyd/Lord/Carter so far.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

[Ladyhawk]

Elliot the last part of your message identifying the father, if you can’t find a marriage obtaining the digital image b/c from GRO online indexes of one of her twins should hopefully name him 🤞
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

I just get the Certificate choice rather than the digital immage.
"Not all records are available to view as Digital Images, however the record you are searching for may be available as a PDF or certificate"

As the digital image came up for me I hope you don't mind I ordered John's b/c to see if it would help you and others looking - this is what is says

Twentyeighth June 1920
4.15pm 14 Acacia Grove
John Stewart Lloyd boy
Father William BARNES
Mother Rosa BARNES formally CARTER
Father’s occupation Musician
Informant mother Rosa BARNES  14 Acacia Grove
Registered 4th August 1920

I’m assuming it will give all the same details for his twin brother William birth apart from the time he was born

I can't see a marriage on FreeBMD for a William Barnes to a Rosa Carter 

Could Rosa’s name have been mis-spelt and this is her on the London Electoral Register
Years 1919/1920/1922

14 Acacia Grove Camberwell
Iana BARNES
William BARNES

Can’t find the above couple on 1921 ER to confirm if they are there nor can I find a marriage for a William Barnes to Iana or Rosa 

I've added a snippet of the 1920 ER

[Ladyhawk]

There is a William Barnes age 19 b Ashford Kent on 1911 census occ Musician
he's at Hyde Park Barracks although this William has a middle name Clare, he’s a trumpeter

Possible parents maybe for this William Barnes
Charles & Louisa they are living in 54, New Town, Willesborough, East Ashford, Kent
with William 10 b Battersea and two other children John H b1886, Albert b1894
reference RG13
Piece number 786
Folio 43 Page 23

Edit to add Looks as if William Clare Barnes can be ruled out as he's on 1920 ER in Berkshire and his death wife was Edith

William Clare Barnes
Residence Date   1920
Street Address   30 Arthur Road
Residence Place   Berkshire
Parliamentary Division   Windsor

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/214838808/william-clare-barnes

[Ladyhawk]

Has Rosa Carter/Rosa Garlick Carter been found on 1901 & 1911 census?

[elliot]

Elliot the last part of your message identifying the father, if you can’t find a marriage obtaining the digital image b/c from GRO online indexes of one of her twins should hopefully name him 🤞
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

I just get the Certificate choice rather than the digital immage.
"Not all records are available to view as Digital Images, however the record you are searching for may be available as a PDF or certificate"

As the digital image came up for me I hope you don't mind I ordered John's b/c to see if it would help you and others looking - this is what is says

Twentyeighth June 1920
4.15pm 14 Acacia Grove
John Stewart Lloyd boy
Father William BARNES
Mother Rosa BARNES formally CARTER
Father’s occupation Musician
Informant mother Rosa BARNES  14 Acacia Grove
Registered 4th August 1920

I’m assuming it will give all the same details for his twin brother William birth apart from the time he was born

I can't see a marriage on FreeBMD for a William Barnes to a Rosa Carter 

Could Rosa’s name have been mis-spelt and this is her on the London Electoral Register
Years 1919/1920/1922

14 Acacia Grove Camberwell
Iana BARNES
William BARNES

Can’t find the above couple on 1921 ER to confirm if they are there nor can I find a marriage for a William Barnes to Iana or Rosa 

I've added a snippet of the 1920 ER

LADYHAWK
I am so grateful for you for this additional research as it establishes a home address, 14 Acacia Grove and the forename William, for the father of the twin boys.
Also William listing as Musician may refer to his employment at the Piano Makers business even if he is not a professional musician. Perhaps his death certificate will reveal some additional snippets.
Following your example I have just purchase the1932 death cert for a William BARNES in Camberwell but sadly a young paint sprayer with T.B.  I will continue to look for others.

[heywood]

Apologies if we have this elsewhere
John Barnes obituary
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t10/
‘ Their father, who was involved in the family business of the piano makers W.H. Barnes, died when the boys were 12 years old’

I se3 you refer to the Piano makers’ business - sorry.

*Mabel’s replies #14/15 - I reread it.

[elliot]

Heywood,
many thanks for that useful Obit from the Independent newspaper.
the last sentence has more research clues about a second marriage for John:

"John Stuart Lloyd Barnes, film historian and collector: born London 28 June 1920; twice married (one son); died St Ives, Cornwall 1 June 2008."

[elliot]

By a process of elimination I end up with this William Henry BARNES and his death in THANET Kent.
William Henry Barnes
1873–1931
BIRTH SEP 1873 • Births Sep 1873 Barnes William Henry Lambeth 1d 381
DEATH SEP 1931 • Deaths Sep 1931 Barnes William H AGED 58 Thanet 2a 1127

Not yet seen on 1901 or 1911 census.

So now back to Rosa CARTER and her GARLICK name.