The Oriental Troupe 1868 - 1873 England, Ireland and France

[maresscares]

Indian acrobats active all over England, parts of Ireland and France, which I was able to trace using various newspaper sites

Rajub, Moulah bux and Sumjoo are the main names.

Sumjoo is the main one I'm interested in (there was another person researching his family on here, but that was in 2007)

Tight rope walker, born about 1849 Bombay, India
Marries an Elvina Hall/boxhall 1870 Portsea, Hampshire. Using the name John Sumjoo. Seems to have been a bit of a big deal there's a newspaper article on it

1871 Census hampshire
Living with Inlaws
Professor J Hall Boxall, head, mar, 50, chiropodist, India
Eliza do., wife, mar, 44, Warwick Birmingham -
John SumJoo, son in law, mar, 22, gymnast, India
Roger Boxall, son, unm, 20, do., do. - I think this is actually Rajub
Angelina Boxall, daur, mar, 23, dress maker, Portsmouth Hants -Daughter in law
Eliza Hall, daur, mar, 18, actress, London Middlesex
Elvina Sumjoo, daur, mar, 17, do, Bristol Glo'ster
Nelly Boxall, grdaur, 2, Portsmouth Hants - Angelina's Daughter
Elvina Eliza Sumjoo, 2mo, Portsmouth - Sumjoo and Elvina's daughter

they had 3 other children

Margaret Sumjoo Registered and baptismal name Bagette mina Roger 1875
John Sumjoo 1873 -1874
Eugine Sumjoo 1883 -1900, This one is a bit of an issue as Elvina is a widow in the 1881 census.

Now where on earth would I even look for a death record or even a real name for Sumjoo. The last trace I can find is John Sumjoo's birth  and a news paper article about Sumjoo and Rajub touring France in 1872 or anything on this person

Oh and the hall/boxall side of things is a huge mess, but that's a post for another day

[hepburn]

Two deaths Sumjoo in Hampshire ..John age 1 died 1874...Jennie aged 15 died 1900..

[maresscares]

Two deaths Sumjoo in Hampshire ..John age 1 died 1874...Jennie aged 15 died 1900..

Yes they are his children, I'm after anything on Sumjoo himself

[cath151]

1881 census  (transcribed Sumtoo) has Elvinen ( transcribed) as a widow but of course this might not be true.
Cathy
Apologies.. I see this info is on the other thread you found

[maresscares]

1881 census  (transcribed Sumtoo) has Elvinen ( transcribed) as a widow but of course this might not be true.
Cathy
Apologies.. I see this info is on the other thread you found

yes I had considered that, but considering Eugene/Jenny wasn't baptised till 1889, father listed as dead anything is possible. He may not have even been dead then. This family is like a pair of wired headphones that have gotten tangled in a pocket

[heywood]

Did he give a father’s name on his marriage?

[maresscares]

Did he give a father’s name on his marriage?

of all the things to not think of. I'll have to order a marrige cert from GRO as I have not found a copy of the church one

[heywood]

Have you read this interesting article in a book
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t17/

[maresscares]

Have you read this interesting article in a book
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t17/

Yes! the whole family is rather interesting if not frustrating on this side