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Re: Bigamy
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 03 March 24 12:49 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone.  I'll try and answer your questions but please bear in mind I am replying from memory as I don't have any information in front of me at the moment. 
One correction (sorry my mistake) Ramon Steen was born in Inverkeithing Fife and married in Edinburgh.
The newspaper article was 1962 in Hull.
Patricia Furlong Steen died in Milton Keyes area, cannot recall the year but fairly recently.
Ramon married bigamously between the 1952 marriage and the 1962 court appearance. This is what we are looking for.
I shall be meeting with my friend on Wednesday, hopefully the certificates will have arrived and we will be able to update.
In the meantime thank you for your huge interest.
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« Reply #19 on: Sunday 03 March 24 13:22 GMT (UK) »
There is quite a lot of information in the news article which I can't read because I don't have a sub.  The marriage was in August 1961 to a 17 year old girl.  He then went to Hull in November and tried to marry Elizabeth Ann MEDFORTH who it seems was also aged 17.

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« Reply #20 on: Sunday 03 March 24 13:29 GMT (UK) »
Thank you.
Now to search every marriage 3rd and 4th qtr. in Watford !!!!!!!!! and see if anyone jumps out.
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« Reply #21 on: Sunday 03 March 24 15:05 GMT (UK) »
The marriage was in August 1961 to a 17 year old girl. 

The 17 year old in Watford had given birth to a child by the time of the court case in May 1962.

Thank you.
Now to search every marriage 3rd and 4th qtr. in Watford !!!!!!!!! and see if anyone jumps out.


and maybe births for the next two qtrs? - nightmare!!

added: there is a reference to Ramon Moir Steen bigamy charge on April 3 1962 on the National Archives site. Its classified as an open document and looks like you can order a copy
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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 03 March 24 15:21 GMT (UK) »
That's a point. Again many thanks.  I've tried searching 3rd and 4th qtrs. 1961 Watford with no names but nothing is standing out.  I've tried all variations also for Ramon as well as Steen, Campbell and Moir but nothing.

I must be a glutton for punishment.  I'm already trying to solve a puzzle for another friend in Aberdeen.
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« Reply #23 on: Sunday 03 March 24 15:23 GMT (UK) »
Brilliant Gan Yam.
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« Reply #24 on: Sunday 03 March 24 16:07 GMT (UK) »
Info only, The newspaper article in 1964 states Ramon had 5 Children. Believe these were born between 1952-58 in Canonbie & Portabello. Can name 2 who have died.

1. James Campbell Steen 1954-2000  Mother's maiden name Kinnoch
2 Kathleen Steen 1953-2009              "    "      "        "        "

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One interesting marriage I cannot put to rest.

SQ 1961 Watford  Raymond M Rickard/ Pauline G Goodrum

Pauline G Goodrum born JQ 1944 (mmn Epton) E. Elloe, Lincs

Pauline would have been aged 17 in 1961

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Births Jun 1962   
RICKARD    (Female)    mmn GOODRUM    Croydon    5g   51 (Added birth also recorded as Goodrum)

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 03 March 24 16:23 GMT (UK) »
Info only, The newspaper article in 1964 states Ramon had 5 Children. Believe these were born between 1952-58 in Canonbie & Portabello. Can name 2 who have died.

1. James Campbell Steen 1954-2000  Mother's maiden name Kinnoch
2 Kathleen Steen 1953-2009              "    "      "        "        "

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One interesting marriage I cannot put to rest.

SQ 1961 Watford  Raymond M Rickard/ Pauline G Goodrum

Pauline G Goodrum born JQ 1944 (mmn Epton) E. Elloe, Lincs

Pauline would have been aged 17 in 1961

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Births Jun 1962   
RICKARD    (Female)    mmn GOODRUM    Croydon    5g   51

Sounds reasonable - only one marriage and only one birth with that name combination!!

Added: the Croydon birth is registered under both Goodrum and Rickard! (possibly consequence of the situation?) and it looks like Pauline may have remarried under maiden name a couple of years later!
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« Reply #26 on: Sunday 03 March 24 16:30 GMT (UK) »
With regard to the other 3 children, using just initials for marriages

1. R Moir P S 1970 St Giles to G R R
2. A J S to I M G/W  1976 Newington
3 P P S to P Mc   1976 Newington

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