Birth certificate/adoption certificate issued pre 1927

[Noteventhebirdsareupyet]

Potential birth for Harold senior Mar 1894 Oldham 8d 669

Yes this is him.

[Noteventhebirdsareupyet]

Koselj is quite an uncommon name. There seems to be a marriage to an Elsie Wiegand, and a daughter born in 1917 (and potentially adopted in 1919?)

Have we discounted  this as a theory? Interesting line of enquiry.

[Noteventhebirdsareupyet]

Welcome to Rootschat

Have you considered DNA?

Going to get my Mum to do a DNA test.

[Noteventhebirdsareupyet]

Noteventhebirdsareupyet, you say your grandfather tried to get a duplicate copy of his birth cert and went through the Salvation Army etc, but have you actually contacted the GRO? Since 2014 descendants of adopted people have been allowed to ask for the birth/adoption details held by the GRO for their ancestor. It is quite possible that an adoption order was made after 1927 which would then have been reflected in his birth certificate which was lost. Follow this link to see how to go about trying to get details from the GRO: http://www.adoptionsearchreunion.org.uk/search/dap/

I haven't been able to give the GRO enough details. They are especially reluctant to help given that the birth was before 1927, even though he could well have been adopted later. Since I don't have the court that issued the adoption or other key details, they won't help.

[Dundee]

Where did you get the 49 Upper Park Road info? Interested in looking at that.

It is from the 1921 census and electoral rolls.  The same address is on his service records after discharge.

It's unlikely that Harold Senior fathered Harold Jr because my Mum reports that Harold Senior was very badly injured in the war and didn't return until 1918, so he wasn't in very good condition!

He received his wounds in 1916 and 1917 and was repatriated to England in Jan 1918, discharged in November.  He was at the Upper Park Road address in 1919.

Debra 

[Dundee]

I believe I know who Eleanor was and may be the same person as Irene as I think they have the same day of birth, 24 January, as well as using the name SPEAR.

25 March 1928
Reynold's Newspaper,  London

Mr Frederick Arthur PARSONS, decorator, High Holborn, W.C., v Mrs Eleanor PARSONS.  He was a boy of eighteen at the time of the wedding, and he soon had to complain about his wife's conduct.  They drifted apart and she disappeared for years until discovered to be living with the co-respondent, Harold Forrest in Huddlestone Road, Tufnell Park, North London.

That is all I can see by manipulating the text.  In 1928 Harold and Irene were living at 28 Huddlestone Road, Tufnell Park.  At the same address was a John Thomas HARDINGE. I believe that Frederick filed for divorce at that time because he wanted to remarry.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8050545

Marriages Dec 1913 

PARSONS,    Frederick A   
SPEAR,    Eleanor   
Islington    1b   690

Oh what a tangled web 

Debra 

[bbart]

Well found, Dundee!

I checked the OCR vs the article, and what you posted is the entirety of it, other than the title, "Decrees Granted".
The rest of the article is all the other unhappy couples that obtained a decree.

[bbart]

Peter was born quite a bit later, December 1926. I have attached a photo of his birth certificate.

Your photo didn't attach... does it give mother's name as Spear, or was it doctored as well?

Births Mar 1927 
Forrest    Peter D    Spear    Islington    1b   213

[Noteventhebirdsareupyet]

Oh wow! That's quite a turn up! Thank you both so much. So much more digging to do! I'll try and attach the birth certificate again. No alteration on this one as it's a copy I got from the GRO.

The system says my photo is too large to upload. I'll keep trying.