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Offline FallonM

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William White
« on: Monday 11 March 24 14:23 GMT (UK) »
William White (my 3rd great grandfather) married Anna Shea from Limerick as far as I know
Their son John White married Mary Hickey ( she was from Cork) 9 Feb 1869
Their son Michael White m Bridget Roche 21 Feb 1906
Their son John White married Clare Wall 6 Sept 1933
Their son Noel White my dad
Can’t find any information for William & Anna d.o.b., marriage dates, death records or other children
Any help would be really appreciated

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Re: William White
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 March 24 23:31 GMT (UK) »
For us to help could you pl supply a bit more information.

1 William White (my 3rd great grandfather) married Anna Shea from Limerick as far as I know. Could you expand pl does this mean that you think /know William White was from Limerick also? or that Anna Shea was from Limerick and William White was from another County? ETA Where did they live after thier marriage?

2 Their son John White married Mary Hickey ( she was from Cork) 9 Feb 1869  Again does this mean both were from Cork or only Mary Hickey?

3 Pl supply the names of the children, in date order of John White & Mary Hickey. We may be able to glean some thing when looking at these and Irish naming patterns.

Have you checked
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/
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Census records

ETA Did all these events happen in Ireland?

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Re: William White
« Reply #2 on: Monday 11 March 24 23:52 GMT (UK) »
Marriage Certificate for john White and Mary Hickey
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11416/8192878.pdf

This shows that William White was deceased at the time that the wedding took place in 1869, or that his son said he was. 
have you checked the witnesses to see if there is any family connection Con Curtien/ian/etc and Catherine O'Brien
John White says he was from Ballingarry at the time of the marriage, in Tipperary? There are several  I think
https://www.townlands.ie/search/?q=ballingarry
Mary Hickey is from Charleville
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleville,_County_Cork

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Re: William White
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 March 24 15:38 GMT (UK) »
The parish register states that John White was of Ballingarry, Diocese of Limerick.

Birth registration for John's son Michael:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03074/2126931.pdf

John and Mary resided at Knockfierna in Ballingarry.

Shanreagh has already mentioned some great free resources for Irish family history research, so I won't repeat them, but I will mention another wonderful free resource that is the NLI. They have digitised the registers of many parishes and Ballingarry is one of them:
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0863

There is no index provided on the website, so I suggest first going to FamilySearch to find the specific names and baptism dates for John & Mary's children. If you enter surname as 'White', father's name 'John White', mother's name 'Mary Hickey' and the place as 'Ballingarry, Limerick', you will see them.

You can then go to the register and look for the image of the entry, as this will provide the names of the godparents, who were often relatives (especially siblings) of the parents.

I believe this to be the family on the 1901 census; Michael was still with them as he was unmarried:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Ballingarry/Common/1487728/

Gives John an estimated year of birth of 1845, with his birthplace being Limerick.

And then the 1911 census:
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Ballingarry/Common/616450/

John is widower; his estimated year of birth is now 1837.

John's death certificate gives an estimated year of birth as 1844, which is closer to the 1901 census:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05218/4443720.pdf

You may already have this information, but, as shanreagh said, it would be helpful if you could supply all the information you have so as to avoid duplication and improve ease of research.

Queenie  :)
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Re: William White
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 March 24 15:39 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately, the NLI page for the Ballingarry parish suggests that there is a gap in baptisms between 1828 and 1849, which is when John and his siblings would have been baptised.

Therefore, I am not sure you can know, with certainty, that John was the son of William White & Anne Shea, because his mother's name was not given on his marriage certificate.

I can see the marriage between William White and Anne Shea (names under their Latin forms) on 21st February 1835 in Ballingarry. However, could there have been more than 1 William White in Ballingarry at this time?

I can see that John did have a daughter called Anne, so I suppose that could be considered supporting evidence.

Unfortunately, it is likely William died before civil registration of deaths, so it may not be possible to find his death date.

However, there is this possible one for Anne:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020489/7189891.pdf

An Anne White of Knockfierna, aged 75 and widow of a farmer died on 5th December 1878. The informant was a John White, occupier.

This would give Anne an estimated birth year of c.1803.

I can only see Ballingarry baptisms from 1825 onwards (with the gap), so her and William's baptisms are unlikely to be found.

Queenie  :)
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Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
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Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset

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Re: William White
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 March 24 15:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much you are a star