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Joseph William Webb prisoner of Japanese WW2
« on: Wednesday 13 March 24 11:32 GMT (UK) »
The Destination of Report on the attached POW Index Card. Is to Mrs F.M.Webb, in Sydney Australia a person that I can't identify as a relation. Joseph was released 2.9.1945 & after that I can't find a trace of him. If he made it home to Dovercourt,Essex, England there is no record. Any ideas?
England,Essex,Tendring Hundred. Webb,Carter,Gilbert,Cunningham,Manning,Carter,Cutting,Marshall,Starling.Bacon.Gant.
Suffolk,Kersey: Farthing,Green,Welham,Vince,Riddlestone.
South Shields 1823 Joseph Porter Master Mariner

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Re: Joseph William Webb prisoner of Japanese WW2
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 March 24 12:19 GMT (UK) »
The Card I tried to post is Crown Copyright so it wouldn't appear. J.W.Webb born 30 April 1911 Dovercourt, Essex, England to George Wm Webb 1885- 1927 & Elsie Annie née Labrum 1890-1971.Joseph was a Staff Sergeanr Royal Army Medical Corps No. 7260909. Taken prisoner 25.12.1941, I don't know where. Released from P.O.W Camp at Nagoya 2.9.1945. On his Japanese Index Card it states Destination of Report Mrs F.M.Webb 65 New South Head Road, Vaucluse, Sydney, Australia. She is unknown to me.
England,Essex,Tendring Hundred. Webb,Carter,Gilbert,Cunningham,Manning,Carter,Cutting,Marshall,Starling.Bacon.Gant.
Suffolk,Kersey: Farthing,Green,Welham,Vince,Riddlestone.
South Shields 1823 Joseph Porter Master Mariner

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Re: Joseph William Webb prisoner of Japanese WW2
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 March 24 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Mrs F M Webb was Florence Maud Webb per the 1943 electoral register
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Re: Joseph William Webb prisoner of Japanese WW2
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 March 24 13:18 GMT (UK) »
Have you been able to translate the Japanese text on the reverse of the POW card? I doubt if this will relate to the Mrs Webb mystery, but it may provide additional information about him. One other bit of information about him is that he was captured in Hong Kong. Some of the civilans who escaped from Hong Kong before the Japanese invaded were evacuated to Australia.


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Re: Joseph William Webb prisoner of Japanese WW2
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 13 March 24 22:19 GMT (UK) »
It would seem that Florence was wife to William Thomas Webb who served in the AIF in WW2 - perhaps that's where they met - or was your man a relative?  Will dig a bit further!

From Electoral rolls
1932 at 1 Pomona Flats, 29 McPherson St, Coogee
William Thomas Webb (labourer)
Florence Maud Webb, hd

1943 at 85 Pine St, Randwick
William Thomas Webb, soldier
Florence Maud Webb, hd

1954, 1968, 1972, 1977, 1980 (1980 is the extent of my access to electoral rolls)
at 41 Gilderthorp Avenue, Randwick North
William's occupation is listed as motor driver, Florence hd

Possible enlistment
Name   William Thomas Webb
Birth Date   20 Jul. 1910
Birth Place   Waverley, New South Wales
Enlistment Date   1939-1948
Enlistment Place   Paddington, New South Wales
Military Service Branch   Army, Second Australian Imperial Force
Service Number   Nx43077
Next of Kin   Florence Webb
Series Description   B883: Army, 2nd Al F

Judith
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Joseph William Webb prisoner of Japanese WW2
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 March 24 00:59 GMT (UK) »
Searching for information re William Thomas Webb (husband of Florence)

Birth: NSW BMD
1910 #T33546 Registered Waverley
William T WEBB, parents: WILLIAM T, RUBY M,

Marriage of parents:
1904 #5533 registered Sydney
William T Webb, Ruby M Steel

Possible death of William's father, but not correct mother if he is to be linked to Joseph
Name   William T Webb
Death Date   1914
Death Place   Woollahra, New South Wales
Registration Date   1914
Registration Place   Woollahra, Australia
Father   George
Mother   Frances
Registration Number   6350

Like you, I can't find any family connection to Joseph.

Judith
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Joseph William Webb prisoner of Japanese WW2
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 14 March 24 01:12 GMT (UK) »
The Australian War Memorial has this information re William Thomas Webb(husband of Florence),much of which is the same as already shown
https://nominal-rolls.dva.gov.au/ww2#Search
Name   WEBB, WILLIAM THOMAS
Service   Australian Army
Service Number   NX43077
Date of Birth   20 Jul 1910
Place of Birth   WAVERLEY, NSW
Date of Enlistment   18 Aug 1941
Locality on Enlistment   BONDI NTH, NSW
Place of Enlistment   PADDINGTON, NSW
Next of Kin   WEBB, FLORENCE
Date of Discharge   06 Nov 1945
Rank   Private
Posting at Discharge   2/3 FD SQN RAE
Prisoner of War   No

So he wasn't a PoW.

Judith
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Joseph William Webb prisoner of Japanese WW2
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 14 March 24 07:01 GMT (UK) »
Funeral Notices for William Thomas WEBB (father of Florence's husband)

I thought I'd mention the names of his family in case there should be some familiar names to the family of Joseph William) but I don't think they're any help!

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/238798783?searchTerm=william%20webb
From newspaper Daily Telegraph, June 3 1914
WEBB.— The Friends of Mrs. WILLIAM THOMAS WEBB are kindly invited to attend the Funeral of
her beloved husband; to leave the residence, ''Marathon," Waverley St., Waverley, THIS DAY' (WEDNESDAY), at 2.15 p.m., for Waverley Cemetery.
There are other funeral notices from:
Frances Webb, George and Albert Webb - WTW was their son and brother
Mr and Mrs J Woodham - WTW was their friend
Mr. and Mrs. Thomas STEEL, Sen., and GERTIE and GLADYS Steel  - WTW was their son-in-law and brother-in-law
Mr. Thomas STEEL, Jun., Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Steel, Mr. and Mrs. Archie Steel, Mr and Mrs Percy
CUNNEEN, and Mr. and Mrs. J. J. HAMMOND - WTW was their brother and brother-in-law.
Also a notice from Masonic Lodge, Ivanhoe

None of this is any help as Steel was Frances' maiden name and all these names seem to be from the Steel family.
There is also a Death Notice in the same edition of that newspaper which also doesn't help.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/238798713
WEBB.— June 1st, 1914, at a Private Hospital. Sydney, William Thomas, dearly loved husband of Ruby Webb, of "Marathon," Waverley St., Waverley, aged 31 years.

Judith

DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Joseph William Webb prisoner of Japanese WW2
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 March 24 07:58 GMT (UK) »
1921 census the family of George William Webb and his wife Elsie Annie are in Ampthill Bedford