Struggling

[Andrew C.]

How do you connect the Duncan born in Argyle to the one who came to America. How do you know these are not different people?

There is a Duncan McArthur born 1822 in Kilninver, Argyle on the 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 census’

Coincidentally there is a John (20) and Malcolm McArthur (15) on the 1841 census in Kilfinichen.

Out of county means just that, he wasn’t born in Lanarkshire where the census was taken Kilfinichen is a good bit away from Glasgow.

[Forfarian]

What does it mean "noted born out of the county"??

In the 1841 census, people were asked where they were born.

First they were asked, "in Scotland, England, Wales, Ireland or Foreign parts?"

Then they were asked if they were born in the county where they were actually living, the possible answers being "Yes" or "No".

So you get the following possible results in the 'where born' column in that ceneus
Y = born in the county where they were now living
N = born in the same country but not in the county where they were now living
S = born in Scotland (only used in England and Wales)
E = born in England (only used in Wales and Scotland)
W = born in Wales (only used in Scotland and England)
I = born in Ireland (there is no surviving 1841 census of Ireland)
F = foreign, that is, born somewhere not in Scotland, England, Wales or Ireland

Transcriptions generally expand Y to read "born in the county" and N to read "not born in the county" or "born out of the county".

There is, of course, no substitute for looking at the original document.

[Forfarian]

on a boat to New York in 1849,

Where did he set sail from? 

New York Passenger List Ship name Sarah Sands

Yes, but where did Sarah Sands set sail from?

[Forfarian]

Could be a long job, but you could try some elimination.

Go to www.FreeCen.org.uk and search the 1841 census index for all records of a Duncan Macarthur born say 1819 to 1831, using name soundex. I got 63 results. Save, or download, or make a note of that information.

Then do the corresponding search in 1851 for the same. I got 30 results.

Then compare the two sets of results and eliminate any obvious matches. Then you can concentrate on the ones who were in the 1841 census but not in the 1851.

 

[Andrew C.]

Looking over this do we have any facts prior to the marriage to Jane Perry in New York in 1852?

[Ladyhawk]

New York Evening Post - Wednesday 3 Nov 1852
MARRIAGE
Duncan MacArthur to Jane Perry both of Eltona, Westchester County, N.Y.
Thursday Oct 23 1852 married by Charles Bathgate, esq

Notes -
Jane’s mother, Mary A Perry is with her and the MacARthur family in 1860 census

Looking over this do we have any facts prior to the marriage to Jane Perry in New York in 1852?

1850 US census Duncan McArthur age 28 occ Clerk is with
Mary Ann 49, Charles 24 son & Jane 27 daughter the surname is transcribed as TERRY on family search

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MCYL-QMZ

Jane's death certificate gives her parents as William and Mary A. Perry.

added - 1903 death Jane https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WDJ-S21

Perhaps this is her parents marriage

William PERRY Spouse Mary Ann PERRY
26 Aug 1816 Parish Devizes St John the Baptist By Lic.
Record set England, Phillimore Marriage Registers, 1531-1913

Bond Day 25 Aug 1816
William PERRY age 20 Parish St John Devizes, s of Thos, St James, Farmer
Mary Ann PERRY sp. - (no age given) Parish St John Devizes
Bondsman PARKER Thomas,bac, West Lavington, Wilts
Record set  Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds - index only

Edit there is this 1817 baptism in Wiltshire for a William PERRY parents William & Mary Ann
occ Victualler residence St John Devizes https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6DSY-HT8V

[Neale1961]

From info on the 1850 census ……

Jane’s brother Charles PERRY has occupation gold beater. He appears in later NY census with same occupation and with wife Barnett FOLLINS.

He married his wife on 10 Sept 1848 – All Saints, Fuham, London
His father was William Perry, also a gold beater

Charles Perry baptism 14 June 1826 St Giles, Holborn
Parents Mary and William Perry – gold beater, Broad Street


Charles' wife, Barnett Perry died 27 Dec 1869 in Kings

[Ladyhawk]

From info on the 1850 census ……

Jane’s brother Charles PERRY has occupation gold beater. He appears in later NY census with same occupation and with wife Barnett FOLLINS.

He married his wife on 10 Sept 1848 – All Saints, Fuham, London
His father was William Perry, also a gold beater

Charles Perry baptism 14 June 1826 St Giles, Holborn
Parents Mary and William Perry – gold beater, Broad Street


Charles' wife, Barnett Perry died 27 Dec 1869 in Kings

Good find Neale

There is a Charles Perry  age 15 occ gold beater ap., can’t make out Mary’s occupation on 1841 census

Red Lion Street, Christchurch, Whitechapel, London & Middlesex
Mary   Perry 40
Charles Perry 15
Frederick Perry 10
Jane   Perry 7
Margaret Perry 5
All noted as born in this county

[Neale1961]

Was just about to post same census information. Charles is a gold beater.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQVQ-BZZ

Mother Mary is "gold leaf M” (maker)


The youngest daughter Margaret Perry was baptised 8 June 1836 St Pauls Hammersmith & Fulham
Parents – Mary and William Perry – gold beater Hammersmith