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Elizabeth Boswell? Traveller?
« on: Friday 15 March 24 09:53 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

I'm looking for a baptism of an Elizabeth Boswell.

On the 10th of November 1762, John Stacey/Stacy, Widower, marries Elizabeth Boswell, Spinster (She signs with an x) at Cambridge, Cambridgeshire.

They then move to Fen Stanton and Bluntisham, Huntingdonshire.
Elizabeth is buried 1794 Fen Stanton, Huntingdonshire.

The only baptism at Cambridge in a similar timeframe is -
William Boswell, son of William and Mary, bapt 1751 Cambridge.

I don't think Elizabeth is a daughter of these two as William Boswell, Bachelor, marries Mary Mott in 1749 at Cambridge.

There are a few baptisms in Cambridge during the 1720s but no Elizabeth.
She could be the daughter of -
John Boswell/Boswel and Zipporah/Zeph Fawtrey/Fawtry/Fortrey/Fortry who marry in Cambridge 1726.
They only appear to have one child baptised though, from what I can see, a Zipporah in 1727 who also dies in 1727. A Zephorah Boswell is buried 1747, who I assume is the wife of John.

There is then a William Boswell and Mary who baptise a daughter Sarah in 1723 Cambridge/Barnwell.

Then there is a Charles Boswell, baptised 1727 Whittlesford, Cambridge, to Elias Boswell and Mary. Perhaps this Elias is the Elijah who is buried 1735 Cambridge?

It had occurred that perhaps Elizabeth was a member of the Gypsy Boswells and that's why there a re no baptisms? I have another Boswell line on my fathers side in the same period in the midlands which seemingly have a brick wall with baptisms as well.
A John Boswell is buried 1787 Trumpington, Cambridge. With a birthdate given of 1691 and the note says 'A Gipsy Workhouse'. I wonder if this is the previously mentioned John?

I have also a family rumour on this line that one of the ancestors was ''French, and spoke French'' but after 12 years of searching I haven't found any trace at all of non-english descent. Now, I'm wondering if they were perhaps Romany and spoke Romany? The family rumour comes from my 3rd great grandfather who said that his grandfather said that his ancestor was French and spoke French. This grandfathers mother was Elizabeth Stacey, daughter of John Stacey and Elizabeth Boswell. I have come across other people who have had a similar family rumour, that they had a French or Italian ancestor but actually turned out to be Romany.
Richard Dudley of Cosby. Gent
George Bent of Cosby. Gent
William Black of Kilby. Gent
Bernard Cotton of Dadlington. Esq
Sir Thomas Halford of Wistow. Bart
Richard Swynfen of Sutton Cheney. Gent
John Cotes of Aylestone. Gent
John Freeston of East Norton. Gent
Sir John Bernard of Abington.
Edward Shuckburgh of Naseby. Esq
Richard Worsley of Deeping. Esq
Thomas Hobson of Glen. Gent
John Grant of Stretton Parva. Gent
John Miles of Heanley Hall. Gent
Thomas Dabridgecourt. Esq
Sir Clement Edmondes

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Re: Elizabeth Boswell? Traveller?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 March 24 13:18 GMT (UK) »
Saturday 30 July 1785
Cambridge Chronicle and Journal

Not sure if it's related, but "Phoenix a youth belonging to Boswell's Gang Gypsies (now hutted in Humberstone Field)" is mentioned in this newspaper marriage notice.

"Phoenix married Miss Boswell, daughter of King of this fraternity. His Gypsean Majesty attended the ceremony. Miss Charlotte Boswell was brides-maid".

"Phoenix's trade is that of tinker, and his wife is a dealer in palmistry".


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Re: Elizabeth Boswell? Traveller?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 March 24 13:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi
There is a settlement certificate 1749
William Boswell and Mary his wife in Lutterworth Leicester 1.11.1749 to All Saints Cambridge.
In 1757 he takes on an apprentice Sarah Waterfield and is described as a Mantuamaker.

Elizabeth Boswell d of William bapt Luterworth 19.11.1731
Brother George 21.2.1729

Could that be her? No wife given

John and his pregnant wife Zipporah leave for Kings Lynn  28th July 1726 .He is a tailor in the Settlement Cert.
Son Elijah bapt there 9.10.1729.
I'm guessing they came back to baptise their daughter and as things didn't work out in Norfolk they moved back to Cambridge.

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Re: Elizabeth Boswell? Traveller?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 March 24 16:30 GMT (UK) »
Following on from ciderdrinker's posting, this may be the 1785 marriage relating to the couple in the marriage notice I found above. Was Humberstone Field located in Leicester at the time?
Are they connected to the OP's Elizabeth Boswell?

Event date 1785
Event Type   Marriage
Name   Phanix Hearn
Residence Place   St Margaret's
Religion   Anglican
Spouse's Name   Sarah Buswell
Spouse's Residence Place   St Margaret's
Event Place   Leicester, Leicestershire

FindMyPast have a 1785 record image in the Leicestershire Marriage Licences, 1604-1891 collection:

Phenix Hearn (born 1764)
Sarah Buswell (born 1764)

Baptism of daughter?  The couple are on the move!

Name   Sabina Heron
Father's Name   Phoenix Heron
Mother's Name   Sarah Heron
Event Date    27 January 1788
Event Place   Great Gonerby, Lincolnshire


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Re: Elizabeth Boswell? Traveller?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 March 24 00:06 GMT (UK) »
Humberstone Field is in Lincolnshire, so I assume it is a transcription error.

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Re: Elizabeth Boswell? Traveller?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 March 24 12:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for this, I've got some stuff to look through.

Humberstone Field is referring to the field at Humberstone, which is either where the Golf course now is or Humberstone Park. Humberstone was a village near Leicester which has been incorporated into Leicester City as a suburb.
Richard Dudley of Cosby. Gent
George Bent of Cosby. Gent
William Black of Kilby. Gent
Bernard Cotton of Dadlington. Esq
Sir Thomas Halford of Wistow. Bart
Richard Swynfen of Sutton Cheney. Gent
John Cotes of Aylestone. Gent
John Freeston of East Norton. Gent
Sir John Bernard of Abington.
Edward Shuckburgh of Naseby. Esq
Richard Worsley of Deeping. Esq
Thomas Hobson of Glen. Gent
John Grant of Stretton Parva. Gent
John Miles of Heanley Hall. Gent
Thomas Dabridgecourt. Esq
Sir Clement Edmondes