Alexander Vallis

[amondg]

Check newspapers, something happened either in this family or a related one.

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Found her
GRO index
September quarter 1877 vol 11A page 84 reg. Bedwelty VALEYS, Alice Ann

no mother's maiden name listed so illegitimate

Believe she married as below

Marriages Sep 1903   

Payne    Alice Ann        Bedwelty    11a   205    
Williams    David        Bedwelty    11a   205    

Children.

WILLIAMS, ELIZABETH  ANN     PAYNNE
GRO Reference: 1903  D Quarter in CRICKHOWELL  Volume 11B  Page 89

WILLIAMS, DAVID  JOHN     PAYNE 
GRO Reference: 1908  J Quarter in CRICKHOWELL  Volume 11B  Page 87

1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7JC-1GN

SS

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1921. look for additional children

WILLIAMS, JENNIE       PAYNE 
GRO Reference: 1912  J Quarter in CRICKHOWELL  Volume 11B  Page 160

WILLIAMS, ALICE  MAY     PAYNE  (Alice M in 1921)
GRO Reference: 1913  J Quarter in CRICKHOWELL  Volume 11B  Page 156

SS

[Cas (stallc)]

Following on from the 1841 that SS found where Ann and children are together including Alexander.

1851 children born Kingston Deverill, Wiltshire
Kingston Deverill, Wiltshire

Ann Vallis   51   Head Alverstone, Hampshire
James Vallis 21 Son
Robert Vallis 19 Son
Samuel Vallis 15 Son
Abi Vallis 9 Daughter
Elizabeth D Vallis 2 Daughter

Robert marries and is living Monmouthshire alternates between Vallis (variant) & Payne (variant) not checked others but think it may relate to parents marriage. There is also a baptism for Robert, same as Queenie found for Alexander - not checked others.

Robert Vallice
Baptism Date   12 Jun 1832
Baptism Place   Kingston Deverill, Wiltshire, England
Father   James Vallice
Mother   Anne Vallice

Parents likely marriage?
Name   Ann Payne
Record Type   Marriage
Marriage Date   30 Apr 1820
Marriage Place   Titchfield, Southampton, England
Spouse   James Valless

Cas

[softly softly]

As per previous post re 1851 census

VALLICE, ABI       PAYNE 
GRO Reference: 1842  M Quarter in MERE  Volume 08  Page 388

SS

[Cas (stallc)]

1871

Tredegar Monmouthshire
Robert Payne   38   Head
Mercy Payne 36 Wife
Harriet Payne 12 Daughter
George Payne 10 Son
John Payne 7 son
Ann Payne 4 Daughter
Tom Payne 2  Son

1861
Radstock Somerset

Robert Valles   29   Head
Mercy Valles 26 Wife
James Valles 4 Son
Harriet Valles 2 Daughter

Possible marriage
Marriages Dec 1856   
Mullard    Mercy Ann        Abergavenny    11a   192   
Valles    Robert        Abergavenny    11a   192   

VALLIS, HARRIET  ANN     mmn MILLARD 
GRO Reference: 1859  J Quarter in CLUTTON  Volume 05C  Page 700
 
Cas

[RayDen]

Thanks Cas, following your links, by 1891 census family reverted back to Valless, with Roberts death in 1908.

It looks like the whole family changed the name for some reason, not just line I am following. It also looks like the name taken is the mother of the family Ann Payne.

I have found the marriage of Ann Payne to James Valless in Titchfield, Southampton, England, 30 April 1820.

I have searched Welshnewspapers online for any "unusual activity" but with he number of variations of the name have had no luck.

Ray

[amondg]

Have you checked wills in Wiltshire for the name Payne, there may have been a request to change the
name in order to inherit.
Stranger things can happen. 

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1851 children born Kingston Deverill, Wiltshire
Kingston Deverill, Wiltshire

Ann Vallis   51   Head Alverstone, Hampshire (recorded as a Widow)
James Vallis 21 Son
Robert Vallis 19 Son
Samuel Vallis 15 Son
Abi Vallis 9 Daughter
Elizabeth D Vallis 2 Daughter

Probable death of Ann Vallis nee' Payne

VALLESS, ANN       aged 53 
GRO Reference: 1852  S Quarter in MERE  Volume 05A  Page 148

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Births Jun 1848   
VALLESS    Elizabeth Day        Mere    8   439

Cannot find on GRO index to establish mmn. However if Ann was her mother as indicated by 1851 census she would have been aged approx 48.

SS