Philip Macrae or McRae or McCree

[heilanlassie]

I was having a look around to try and follow up on Kitty/Catherine, sister to Philip and living in Ullapool.

There are four marriages showing in Lochbroom in the 1820s and one in 1854 (likely too late). The one that caught my eye is the 1826 one between a Murdoch Stuart and a Catherine McRea. If you have still a subs to Ancestry, there is this family tree for her www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/77043979/person/48357988776/facts

The 1841 census:

Murdo Stewart 40 shoemaker
Catharine Stewart 35
Farguhar Stewart 10
John Stewart 8
Alexander Stewart 3
   
Address: Ullapool

The 1851 census, with a widowed Catherine, everyone showing as born in Lochbroom:

Cathrine Stewart 55 Head, widow of a shoemaker
Alex Stewart 13
John McDond 70 Visitor
William Mkenzie 30 Visitor tailor employing 2 men
Rodk Mkenzie 19 Visitor tailor appr

Address Market St, Ullapool


Catherine died at the age of 60 in Ullapool in 1855. Her parents are the same as Mary MaCrae, Farquhar McRea and Ann Munro.

So, I think it is a possibility that this is the Catherine/Kitty that Philip referred to as his sister in his papers in 1833. His father showed as Christopher when he married Mary Ann. I am wondering if this is an error?

With Alexander MaCree showing as nephew with Mary MaCree in the household in 1871 and then, with cousin with Lexy as head of household in 1881, showing as cousin....I think that is exactly what he was.

I think this is helpful in possibly establishing why Alexander McCree was living with Mary McCree and her daughter Lexy in Ullapool from at least the mid 1860s. There was some discussion on this on your original post here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=678701.0

However, this doesn't really explain if there was any direct familial relationship between him and your g grandmother Christina Mackenzie with whom he showed as living with in 1911. Given his disabilities, I wonder if she was receiving assistance to have him boarding with her?

Monica

That's all extremely interesting, and yes, I agree that this is probably the correct information.
I have had a look at the link to the tree you sent me, and have found a lot of information on there, but I am always very wary about copying from other people's trees, I prefer to wait until I can download certificates to prove everything.
I was also thinking about Philip's father being named as Christopher on the marriage certificate and (no disrespect meant here) - presumably Philip had a broad Ross-Shire accent, and as he married in Plymouth, Devon, I wouldn't be too surprised if the registrar couldn't understand what he was saying his father's name was, and misheard Farquhar, and wrote down Christopher. Possible?
I shall carry on researching and really, really hope that at some point I can tie these people to my Mackenzies.
As always Monica, thank you for your help.

[MonicaL]

Agree on trees online and the need for care. I only take as fact those trees that have included original documents to view, the rest I just regard them as a guide to work through.

I did look at the death reg in 1855 for Catherine McRea or Stewart. This is the source and confirmation of her parents' names.

Something else may pop up to make any possible connection a little clearer.

Did you ever follow up on the reputed father of Lexy, Kenneth McKenzie, to determine his family line?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Just a few side notes for Philip McCree from Ancestry:

1833 - www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/130630:61093 - Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital Admissions and Discharges, 1826-1930. This confirms Philip's birth place as Lochbroom

1833 - There is an Ancestry London parish marriages & banns entry in September 1833 which could be for him. These look to be banns for a marriage to an Ann Page, widow, at Saint Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney. Not clear whether marriage went ahead although there is the mention of a child in Philip's records, William, born 1841-2.

1862 - www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/10680477:60391 - London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1921. From summer of 1862, sick with fever and needing medical attendance. Just helps narrow down further possible range of death.

Monica

[heilanlassie]

Agree on trees online and the need for care. I only take as fact those trees that have included original documents to view, the rest I just regard them as a guide to work through.

I did look at the death reg in 1855 for Catherine McRea or Stewart. This is the source and confirmation of her parents' names.

Something else may pop up to make any possible connection a little clearer.

Did you ever follow up on the reputed father of Lexy, Kenneth McKenzie, to determine his family line?

Monica

No, I haven't followed up on the reputed father, Kenneth McKenzie.

To be honest, I wouldn't know where to start.............I sort of went into panic mode when I saw the name Kenneth, as my 2xgreat grandfather was called Kenneth McKenzie............

[heilanlassie]

Just a few side notes for Philip McCree from Ancestry:

1833 - www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/130630:61093 - Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital Admissions and Discharges, 1826-1930. This confirms Philip's birth place as Lochbroom

1833 - There is an Ancestry London parish marriages & banns entry in September 1833 which could be for him. These look to be banns for a marriage to an Ann Page, widow, at Saint Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney. Not clear whether marriage went ahead although there is the mention of a child in Philip's records, William, born 1841-2.

1862 - www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/10680477:60391 - London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1921. From summer of 1862, sick with fever and needing medical attendance. Just helps narrow down further possible range of death.

Monica

More wows.............

Fascinating to read about Philip being admitted to the Dreadnought Seaman's Hospital, although I might need some help to identify what the illness was.

I discovered a while ago his admission into the workhouse in 1862 with a fever. He was discharged from there on 16 July 1862, so he must have died sometime between then and 30 October 1866, which is the date that his son, Alexander, was registered for Poor Relief in Lochbroom.

Now to research the marriage in 1833 to Ann Page. Is there a link to that entry? In 1843, Philip named Mary Ann Howell as trustee for his son, William, aged 19 months, in Plymouth.

I think our Philip was a bit of a rascal....................

[heilanlassie]

Just a few side notes for Philip McCree from Ancestry:

1833 - www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/130630:61093 - Dreadnought Seamen's Hospital Admissions and Discharges, 1826-1930. This confirms Philip's birth place as Lochbroom

1833 - There is an Ancestry London parish marriages & banns entry in September 1833 which could be for him. These look to be banns for a marriage to an Ann Page, widow, at Saint Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney. Not clear whether marriage went ahead although there is the mention of a child in Philip's records, William, born 1841-2.

1862 - www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/10680477:60391 - London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1921. From summer of 1862, sick with fever and needing medical attendance. Just helps narrow down further possible range of death.

Monica

I have found the document showing the banns called for Philip McCree and Ann Page.

Where did you find the mention of the son William, born in 1841/42?

[MonicaL]

Info only,

British Royal Navy Allotment Declarations 1795-1852

Philip McCree names a sister Kitty McCree living in Loch Broom, Ullapool, Rothshire.

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British Royal Navy Allotment Declarations 1795-1852

1843 Philip McCree names Mary Ann Howell as a trustee for his son William McCree aged 19 months, New Church, Plymouth. Mary address 56, George Street, Stonehouse,Devon.

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Philip records in 1848 that he married Mary Ann Howell 27th September 1847, Plymouth


SS

SS mentioned the source on the other thread.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Re the 1833 marriage banns in Stepney, this is the link (shrunk as it was a very long one!) to Ancestry's database www.rootschat.com/links/01t2p/

Monica

[MonicaL]

Fascinating to read about Philip being admitted to the Dreadnought Seaman's Hospital, although I might need some help to identify what the illness was.

I think Philip's ailment on record was Periostitis. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periostitis

Monica