need help finding a death certificate

[jonw65]

Derbyshire Registrars Death Index on findmypast has the same (free index)
James Halliday b. 1816 d. 1879 Place Duffield, Register office 392
Joseph Jackson b. 1841 d. 1879 Place Duffield, Register office 392

[jonw65]

James Halladay in the index to the Nottingham Road Cemetery burial registers, 1879-1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWP9-2RR

Sadly the graves registers are locked up.

[jonw65]

In 1861 there's a James Halladay, 33, Blacksmith, in Shardlow. Married to Dianah.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M76V-X2K

They seem to have been having marital problems in 1858 (newspapers, Halladay/Halliday)

Is this the man in question?

[arthurk]

James Halladay in the index to the Nottingham Road Cemetery burial registers, 1879-1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWP9-2RR

Sadly the graves registers are locked up.

Nottingham Road Cemetery is included at Everafter - https://www.discovereverafter.com/ (free site)

It doesn't say much about James Halladay apart from the burial date (21 Nov 1879) and his age (52), though it does show you the exact location of the grave. It also says that an Arthur Hatton was buried there in 1930, though being so many years later it's likely to be a re-use of the old plot.

Jonw65's searches in the death indexes do make me wonder if the Belper one might be worth looking at again. After all, Markeaton was in the Belper registration district and Poor Law Union, so it would have been Belper workhouse that he went to. What exactly does that certificate say about James and where he died, and who registered the death?

[jonw65]

Hi Arthurk
I also thought Belper workhouse at first, but those deaths weren't there (turns out Belpher WH records are on FS!)

The Derby Union workhouse was by then in Markeaton, and at that time (1879) was in Belper RD
Master of the Workhouse in the 1881 census (free)
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/2739439:7572

Nottingham Road Cemetery is included at Everafter - https://www.discovereverafter.com/ (free site

That looks a good site, I didn't know about it. Thanks!
Jon

[arthurk]

Thanks, Jon. I'd been confused about which Union was involved, then I thought I'd cracked it, but evidently not, so thanks for the clarification. And if it was the Derby workhouse in Markeaton, that would explain how he came to be buried in a Derby cemetery rather than, say, Belper.

[Miss C]

Thanks to all of you who have been helpful.  I decided that the James Halliday in Belper was my best bet - the death cert said shoemaker (my James was a blacksmith), it said he dies in the workhouse in markeaton.  Its just the death age that is 10 yrs different. 

The family have been a hard set to track down and at least I can now put it to rest and close the brick wall.

Thank you all again
Antonella

[Miss C]

James Halladay in the index to the Nottingham Road Cemetery burial registers, 1879-1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWP9-2RR

Sadly the graves registers are locked up.

Nottingham Road Cemetery is included at Everafter - https://www.discovereverafter.com/ (free site)

It doesn't say much about James Halladay apart from the burial date (21 Nov 1879) and his age (52), though it does show you the exact location of the grave. It also says that an Arthur Hatton was buried there in 1930, though being so many years later it's likely to be a re-use of the old plot.

Jonw65's searches in the death indexes do make me wonder if the Belper one might be worth looking at again. After all, Markeaton was in the Belper registration district and Poor Law Union, so it would have been Belper workhouse that he went to. What exactly does that certificate say about James and where he died, and who registered the death?

I have revisited the JH in Belper, and it's probably the best bet. 
The certificate says he died in the derby workhouse (markeaton) on 18th Nov 1879 of bronchitis and the death was registered by Hannah ? who was present at the death.  I assume she was a nurse or other inmate.  The death was certified by ? Greaves (MRCS). 

Thanks for the link to the everafter site - i didn't know about this one. 

Your help digging around and suggestions have been really appreciated, I really am on for diligence and ensuring I get the right facts before posting onto my tree. 

Thanks again
Antonella

[Miss C]

Hi Arthurk
I also thought Belper workhouse at first, but those deaths weren't there (turns out Belpher WH records are on FS!)

The Derby Union workhouse was by then in Markeaton, and at that time (1879) was in Belper RD
Master of the Workhouse in the 1881 census (free)
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/2739439:7572

Nottingham Road Cemetery is included at Everafter - https://www.discovereverafter.com/ (free site

That looks a good site, I didn't know about it. Thanks!
Jon

Hi Jon,
Thanks for the 1881 census link. 

Thank you also for jumping onboard and helping me to solve this.  I've struggled with this family for 5 years and new records come available and I can now finally lay James to rest.

The family did appear to have domestic problems and I will never know the true extent as to what happened I can at least now mark this as complete.

I appreciate all the effort you put in and now that digital GRO records only cost £2.50 I gave it a shot and it appears to be the best fit.  It looks like him, but the age has been recorded wrongly. 

Thanks again
Antonella