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Re: 1921 census Helen Beattie M with adopted daughter BA?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 24 March 24 17:14 GMT (UK) »
I was going to suggest the following 1921 Scotland entries but the birth for that Helen has mmn Donaldson.  I will post anyway to save anyone else going the same route  :)

BEATTIE, HELEN
age 39
312/ 21/ 3
MONTROSE
ANGUS

BEATTIE, HELEN D
age 7
312/ 21/ 3
MONTROSE
ANGUS
.....
Is this her birth
BEATTIE, HELEN DONALDSON
Mothers maiden surname DONALDSON
F
1914
312 / 99
MONTROSE
ANGUS


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Re: 1921 census Helen Beattie M with adopted daughter BA?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 24 March 24 17:42 GMT (UK) »
Maybe I do have the right person and Helen is using her birth surname as her maiden name when registering the birth :-\

Is this the marriage of Helen snr's parents (after Helens birth)
DONALDSON, HELEN
BEATTIE, JAMES
1881
599 / 62
KILWINNING

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Re: 1921 census Helen Beattie M with adopted daughter BA?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 24 March 24 21:29 GMT (UK) »
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Helen Beattie BA meaning adopted with both parents alive

Is that what BA means?  Rather than Both Alive or does it say adopted daughter specifically?

Sorry I haven't seen the entry so am not sure.
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Re: 1921 census Helen Beattie M with adopted daughter BA?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 24 March 24 22:28 GMT (UK) »
One thing BA on the 1921 Scottish census means Both parents alive. Nothing about adoption.

Legal adoption did not start until 1930 in Scotland so if Helen was ever legally adopted it would have been after this date and that would make her 16 with her birth year of 1914.

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Re: 1921 census Helen Beattie M with adopted daughter BA?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 24 March 24 22:52 GMT (UK) »
One thing BA on the 1921 Scottish census means Both parents alive. Nothing about adoption.


Dorrie

I agree with Dorrie, according to the Scotland's People 1921 census returns page,the following is true.

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/guides/record-guides/census-returns#Household-returns-1921-census

Marriage/Orphanhood

BA - Both parents alive
FD - Father dead
MD - Mother dead
BD - Both parents dead
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Re: 1921 census Helen Beattie M with adopted daughter BA?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 24 March 24 23:15 GMT (UK) »
I think I may have solved it if the bbeattie can confirm the 1921 Scotland Census she is looking at is for Montrose, Scotland.

Too late to go into my findings now as bedtime but will be back on in the morning.

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Re: 1921 census Helen Beattie M with adopted daughter BA?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 25 March 24 00:55 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, turns out to be the wrong Helen Beattie.  My Helen was born in North Craigo, Angus, not far from Montrose, 1 month before the Helen in the 1921 census so I thought it was my relative.  I found out, with help, from a Montrose fb site that the Helen in the census was married to a James Beattie who was at sea at the time of the census. 

My grandaunt Helen was born illegitimate to James and Elizabeth (Alexander) Beattie, who married the following year, and was living and working with her mother's sister in Tarbert in 1901...that's the last I can find out about her.
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Re: 1921 census Helen Beattie M with adopted daughter BA?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 25 March 24 00:58 GMT (UK) »
My Helen Beattie was named Nelly at birth, Oct 4, 1881 and was Nelly in the 1901 census but Helen in the 1891 census...all confirmed.
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Re: 1921 census Helen Beattie M with adopted daughter BA?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 25 March 24 02:06 GMT (UK) »
I was going to suggest the following 1921 Scotland entries but the birth for that Helen has mmn Donaldson.  I will post anyway to save anyone else going the same route  :)

BEATTIE, HELEN
age 39
312/ 21/ 3
MONTROSE
ANGUS

BEATTIE, HELEN D
age 7
312/ 21/ 3
MONTROSE
ANGUS
.....
Is this her birth
BEATTIE, HELEN DONALDSON
Mothers maiden surname DONALDSON
F
1914
312 / 99
MONTROSE
ANGUS

Yes, that is the one I saw.
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