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Re: Siegmund Gutmann BOSTON
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 26 March 24 18:06 GMT (UK) »

Not all passenger lists were recorded at the time, so it doesn't mean he didn't arrive in the UK.
Worth trying the 1902 death certificate.
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Re: Siegmund Gutmann BOSTON
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 26 March 24 18:12 GMT (UK) »
There's always the possibility he returned to Europe. Or he was going by the surname Goodman after 1898.

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Re: Siegmund Gutmann BOSTON
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 26 March 24 21:16 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone. I will now check out all the links you have gave me 🙂

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Re: Siegmund Gutmann BOSTON
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 07:36 GMT (UK) »
I’ve not looked at the provided links; perhaps the following has been mentioned (or, won’t match up with provided facts), but…

Mary was recorded as “Wife” on the passenger list.  Perhaps married women were recorded as wife whether or not they were married or widowed, or possibly Siegmund was still alive at the time of her sailing?

If I looked at the correct 1901 census on Ancestry, Mary was living in Edmonton, Middlesex. She was recorded as married (possibly true/not true). It was suggested that the 1902 (London) death might be for your Siegmund.  Seems a bit coincidental that Mary was living “near” the place where a Siegmund’s death was registered.

Siegmund was recorded as a commercial traveler.  Perhaps he sailed to England, or elsewhere, sometime after Edward was conceived?  My mum’s ancestor’s brother was a commercial traveler.  If I remember correctly, he left Canada for a brief time, living in the U.S., so I suppose it wasn’t unusual for men to move around.

Added: the death registration provided in the first thread stated that the registration district was Marylebone which, according to an online map, is about nine miles away from Edmonton.
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Re: Siegmund Gutmann BOSTON
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 14:50 GMT (UK) »
I’ve not looked at the provided links; perhaps the following has been mentioned (or, won’t match up with provided facts), but…

Mary was recorded as “Wife” on the passenger list.  Perhaps married women were recorded as wife whether or not they were married or widowed, or possibly Siegmund was still alive at the time of her sailing?

If I looked at the correct 1901 census on Ancestry, Mary was living in Edmonton, Middlesex. She was recorded as married (possibly true/not true). It was suggested that the 1902 (London) death might be for your Siegmund.  Seems a bit coincidental that Mary was living “near” the place where a Siegmund’s death was registered.

Siegmund was recorded as a commercial traveler.  Perhaps he sailed to England, or elsewhere, sometime after Edward was conceived?  My mum’s ancestor’s brother was a commercial traveler.  If I remember correctly, he left Canada for a brief time, living in the U.S., so I suppose it wasn’t unusual for men to move around.

Added: the death registration provided in the first thread stated that the registration district was Marylebone which, according to an online map, is about nine miles away from Edmonton.
Thank you Lisa. I will order the 1902 death certificate and see if that brings up any more clues.
Thanks ever so much for the help

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Re: Siegmund Gutmann BOSTON
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 14:57 GMT (UK) »
I’ve not looked at the provided links; perhaps the following has been mentioned (or, won’t match up with provided facts), but…

Mary was recorded as “Wife” on the passenger list.  Perhaps married women were recorded as wife whether or not they were married or widowed, or possibly Siegmund was still alive at the time of her sailing?

If I looked at the correct 1901 census on Ancestry, Mary was living in Edmonton, Middlesex. She was recorded as married (possibly true/not true). It was suggested that the 1902 (London) death might be for your Siegmund.  Seems a bit coincidental that Mary was living “near” the place where a Siegmund’s death was registered.

Siegmund was recorded as a commercial traveler.  Perhaps he sailed to England, or elsewhere, sometime after Edward was conceived?  My mum’s ancestor’s brother was a commercial traveler.  If I remember correctly, he left Canada for a brief time, living in the U.S., so I suppose it wasn’t unusual for men to move around.

Added: the death registration provided in the first thread stated that the registration district was Marylebone which, according to an online map, is about nine miles away from Edmonton.
Certainly looks promising on his death?

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Re: Siegmund Gutmann BOSTON
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 14:58 GMT (UK) »
Good Luck I wonder if the Siegmund Gutman who died in 1902 might be this person in 1901

Silgmond Gutman
Age    47  Single
Birth place    Germany
Birth place other as transcribed    GERMANY NATURALIZED BRITISH SUBJECT   -
Occupation    Commercial traveller
St Enoch Station Hotel St Enoch Square Glasgow, Blythswood, Lanarkshire

Kay

Added - sorry I missed your last post

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Re: Siegmund Gutmann BOSTON
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 15:16 GMT (UK) »
Yay...the death certificate! The age certainly matches. Interesting that a cousin (H Masbach) in/of Germany was the informant. Although the 1896 marriage record indicates SG was from Austria.  ???

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Re: Siegmund Gutmann BOSTON
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 15:19 GMT (UK) »
Good Luck I wonder if the Siegmund Gutman who died in 1902 might be this person in 1901

Silgmond Gutman
Age    47  Single
Birth place    Germany
Birth place other as transcribed    GERMANY NATURALIZED BRITISH SUBJECT   -
Occupation    Commercial traveller
St Enoch Station Hotel St Enoch Square Glasgow, Blythswood, Lanarkshire

Kay

Added - sorry I missed your last post
Thank you Kay.
Much appreciated