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What exactly does this baptism entry mean?
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 15:28 GMT (UK) »
I have a baptism for a child called Elionor on the 4 January 1648/49 in Chelmarsh, Shropshire. The image is on FindMyPast at:

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FSHROP%2FP57-A-1-1%2F113764&parentid=GBPRS%2FSHROP%2FBAP%2F986894

The entry reads:

Elionor reputed bastard of James Dovie and Margery Lawrence, by procurement of Frauncis Dovie, the reputed grandfather

What does "by procurement of Frauncis Dovie ..." mean?
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.

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Re: What exactly does this baptism entry mean?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 15:58 GMT (UK) »
Could it be “pronouncement” meaning the grandfather gave the information?

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Re: What exactly does this baptism entry mean?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 16:41 GMT (UK) »
"Procurement" in the legal sense:

cause someone to do something


"Procure" appears in the Book of Common Prayer:

https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-and-worship/worship-texts-and-resources/book-common-prayer/private-baptism-infants


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Re: What exactly does this baptism entry mean?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 18:06 GMT (UK) »
It's definitely procurement. I'm assuming Grandad got grandson by the scruff of his neck and made him own up to his dastardley deed ;D
Anderson - Leics., Yorks.; Attwood - Worcs., Staffs.,  Salop; Baylis - Worcs.; Beach/Bache - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Bills - Devon, Worcs.<br />Dovey - Worcs., Staff., Salop; Gill - Worcs.; Hampton - Worcs., Staffs.; Hancox/Hancocks - Worcs., Staffs.<br />Hill - Worcs., Staffs., Salop; Sherwood - Worcs., Staffs.; Stonyer - Worcs., Staff., Salop, Essex<br />Woodall - Worcs., Staffs.; Potter - Essex.


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Re: What exactly does this baptism entry mean?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 18:57 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the common prayer link from Tonepad,
Does that mean it was Grandad who baptised her.

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Re: What exactly does this baptism entry mean?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 March 24 19:40 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the common prayer link from Tonepad,
Does that mean it was Grandad who baptised her.

No, I think it means that it was the grandfather who arranged the baptism. We can only guess at the reason - maybe he decided that whatever his son had got up to, he was going to step up and accept some responsibility on behalf of the family; or maybe he just thought the parents were being a bit slow getting round to it.
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