Ernest Abrahams 1895

[Vixen999]

Hi Everyone

I'm looking for information and clarification on Ernest Abrahams.  I found Ernest's GRO index mmn Tongue and indeed his mother's maiden name was Mary Ann "Dolly" Tongue 1864
BIRTH APR 1864 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

On another ancestry site, many people have Ernest with middle name Alfred.  However, there's no mention of this name on his GRO index, nor in the 1901 and 1911 census.  In 1911 Ernest is found

Age in 1911   15
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1896
Relation to Head   Inmate
Gender   Male
Birth Place   Birmingham
Civil parish   Hayes
County/Island   Middlesex
Country   England
Street Address   Hayes Certified Industrial School For Jewish Boys, Hayes Certified Industrial School For Jewish Boys Hayes Uxbridge

Could someone take a look and see if Ernest is completely different to the Ernest Albert Abrahams found on other people's trees who was born I believe in 1896.  I do know that some of the abrahams family changed their name eg Bertie Abrahams, Ernest's brother switched between abrahams and haywood - Haywood chosen I believe to distract from jewish heritage or because he was found to be a bigamist.  I haven't been able to find anything concrete on Ernest after the 1911 census.  I've also been trying to find information on Edith Abrahams 1884, birmingham, Ernest's sister who was last seen as a prisoner in 1911 but haven't been able to find out why or what happened to her from there.

Thanks

[heywood]

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Ernest 1895 mmn Tongue


A tree has that Ernest, as you say until:
1937 - Ernest A Abrahams marriage to Nellie Rowley

1939 register - Ernest Alfred b 1896

1983 Death Ernest Alfred Abraham with birth 11 July 1896

I haven’t seen him in 1921

[Vixen999]

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Ernest 1895 mmn Tongue


A tree has that Ernest, as you say until:
1937 - Ernest A Abrahams marriage to Nellie Rowley

1939 register - Ernest Alfred b 1896

1983 Death Ernest Alfred Abraham with birth 11 July 1896

I haven’t seen him in 1921

|I dont think the Ernest who married Nellie Rowley is the Ernest I am looking for, as that Ernest was born in 1896 but the Ernest Abrahams mmn was registered 1895 with no middle name

[CaroleW]

Marriage on freebmd Dec qtr 1888 - Joseph Abrahams to Mary Ann Tongue Birmingham 6D 319

1901 census shows Ernest aged 5 with parents

[Mabel Bagshawe]

There's an Ernest Abrahams about the right age who travels from  Bristol to Quebec in September 1911 on the Royal George. He's listed as a labourer

He was due to be going to Quebec Province as a farmer but his immigration record has "to be deported" written on it. he claims to have been a farming scholar for 3 years

[heywood]

I dont think the Ernest who married Nellie Rowley is the Ernest I am looking for, as that Ernest was born in 1896 but the Ernest Abrahams mmn was registered 1895 with no middle name

There is a birth for Ernest Alfred Abraham in 1896, mmn Bellamy - Kings Norton, Worcestershire

[Vixen999]

There's an Ernest Abrahams about the right age who travels from  Bristol to Quebec in September 1911 on the Royal George. He's listed as a labourer

He was due to be going to Quebec Province as a farmer but his immigration record has "to be deported" written on it. he claims to have been a farming scholar for 3 years

Thanks for this.  I did wonder if this might be him as an Edith Abrahams also went to Canada

[Vixen999]

I dont think the Ernest who married Nellie Rowley is the Ernest I am looking for, as that Ernest was born in 1896 but the Ernest Abrahams mmn was registered 1895 with no middle name

There is a birth for Ernest Alfred Abraham in 1896, mmn Bellamy - Kings Norton, Worcestershire

Definitely not the Ernest I am trying to find out about whose mmn is Tongue

[Vixen999]

Marriage on freebmd Dec qtr 1888 - Joseph Abrahams to Mary Ann Tongue Birmingham 6D 319

1901 census shows Ernest aged 5 with parents

Yes thats him   Then in 1911 hes in The Hayes, some kind of care home for Jewish boys