BURTON John of Oakham Rutland

[ColC]

There were four William Burtons born 1780 – 1791. baptised Oakham in period. Freereg.

2 January 1780 Daniel & Anne – died 9 Dec 1781

15 February 1782 John & Elizabeth (only one on Ancestry)
25 December 1785 Andrew & Jane - no clear trace?
 30 September 1787 John & Ann

Deaths registered Oakham 1837- 1871 (Born about the years above)

BURTON, WILLIAM     born about 1784   75 
GRO Reference: 1859  J Quarter in OAKHAM  Volume 07A  Page 163

BURTON, WILLIAM    born about 1786   73 
GRO Reference: 1859  D Quarter in OAKHAM  Volume 07A  Page 155

Wife of one of the above?
BURTON, ELIZABETH       81 
GRO Reference: 1855  J Quarter in OAKHAM  Volume 07A  Page 149

Despite the age at death I think this is the son of John & Ann, he was the only one alive on 1861 census.

BURTON, WILLIAM    born about 1779   85 
GRO Reference: 1864  M Quarter in OAKHAM  Volume 07A  Page 200

Husband of above?
BURTON, MARY       62 
GRO Reference: 1850  S Quarter in OAKHAM  Volume 15  Page 443

William & Elizabeth seem to have had one child, John below.

1841 Whissendine, no abode noted
BURTON   William   55   Blacksmith   Rutland
BURTON   Elizabeth   65      Out of County
BURTON   John   25      Rutland

1851 Whissendine, no abode noted
BURTON   William   Head   69   Grazier 4 Acr   Rutland   Oakham
BURTON   Elizabeth   Wife   76      Leicestershire   Garthorpe

No 1861 for the above.


Colin

[Jomot]

In case this is of any help, my Leicester Poor Law CD has the following:

Leicester Quarter Sessions – 1830 Translation session
18 Jun 1830 Removal Order between Leicester St Mary & Oakham, Rutland
William Burton and wife Alice Burton plus the following children:
William 17, John 15, Robert 13, Jane 11, James 9, Sarah 8, Mary 6, Alice 4, Andrew 2, Thomas 10-weeks

It looks like Oakham appealed, but the removal was confirmed in the 1830 Michaelmas session.

Its only an index so the details are very limited, although there doesn’t appear to be a surviving settlement examination

There is also an 1801 apprentice record in Oakham for William Burton aged 15 (born c1786) to Thomas Clarke, who appears to also be of Oakham.

I'll keep looking for anything else that may be helpful.

[hanes teulu]

I wonder if this is William Burton, Bartin and Mary's son, bap 1736

Lincolnshire Chronicle, 9 Feb 1838
Deaths
On the 1st inst, at Bristol, W Bartin Burton, Esq, formerly of Burley, in the County of Rutland, and a Captain in the army, age 73

Baptism (FindMyPast transcript)
4 Sep 1763, Wm son of Mr Wm and Maria Burton, Oakham
However, the "original" (a manuscript transcript) reads -
4 Sep 1763, Wm Bartin son of Mr Wm and Maria Burton.

A William Burton married an Anna Maria Brown, 21 Jan 1762, both of Oakham.

Anna Maria Burton, wife of William Burton, buried 16 Feb 1891, age 51, Burley.

"Mr" is synonymous with "Gent" 

[Jomot]

The only other records involving Oakham appear to be these:

1765 - Settlement Certificate for William & Mary Burton.  Parishes involved Oakham & Exton
1777 - Settlement Certificate for Daniel & Ann Burton.  Parishes involved Oakham & Buckminster

[tamarclaire]

I do not believe that this is the correct William.

1871 Asylum St. West Leicester
BURTON   William   Head   W   88 (1783)   Dyer   Rutland   Oakham      
BURTON   Sarah   Dau   U   50   Chairwoman   Leicestershire   Leicester   Df&dmb   
BURTON   Mary   Dau   U   47   Trimmer & Dyer   Leicestershire   Leicester      

1861 - Ruding Street, West Leicester.
BURTON   William   Head   M   74   Trimmer   Rutland   -      
BURTON   Alice   Wife   M   72   House Wife   Rutland   -      
BURTON   Sarah Dau   U   37Shirt Maker Leicestershire Leicester   
D & D   
BURTON   Mary   Dau   U   34   Spinner   Leicestershire   Leicester      
BURTON   Thomas   Son   M   30   Machinist   Leicestershire   Leicester      
BURTON   Elizabeth   Sonwif   M   28   Dress Maker   Leicestershire   Ansty      
BURTON   Alice   Grndau   U   9   Scholar   Leicestershire   Leicester      
BURTON   John Thomas   Grnson   U   7   Scholar   Leicestershire   Leicester      

Colin

Hello Colin,

Thanks very much for your reply. I'm a bit confused. Please can you explain why you don't believe that this is the correct William.  Do you mean the William on the 1871 census, William on the 1861 census or both? 

You have highlighted Sarah Burton.  Sarah was baptised 22/7/1821 at St Mary de Castro in Leicester and was deaf and dumb from birth.  I think her occupation on the 1871 census should have been 'charwoman' and not 'chairwoman'. On the 1881 census she is age 60 and living with her niece and family.  She was buried in Welford Road Cemetery 1886 aged 64 on 13 February 1886.

[Jomot]

I can't speak for Colin, but personally I don't believe that this (your) William is the grandson of Bartin Burton.

The existence of the removal order indicates that as well as being illiterate and a labourer (as you already pointed out) he was also receiving or at risk of needing parish relief.

Bartin's PCC will is available online and does mention a son John, but it seems to me that people have simply jumped on it without question or further investigation.  Good for you for not doing the same!

[tamarclaire]

I can't speak for Colin, but personally I don't believe that this (your) William is the grandson of Bartin Burton.

The existence of the removal order indicates that as well as being illiterate and a labourer (as you already pointed out) he was also receiving or at risk of needing parish relief.

Bartin's PCC will is available online and does mention a son John, but it seems to me that people have simply jumped on it without question or further investigation.  Good for you for not doing the same!

Thanks very much for posting the details of the removal order which I had not come across before. and which is very interesting   I have records for all the children listed, except for Robert so I will investigate further!

Thanks very much too for sharing your thoughts on William not being the grandson of Rev. Bartin Burton which has added weight to the doubts I was already having.  It does appear that the fact that William's parents married in Oakham has led to the belief that his father John must have been born in Oakham and this has then led to the assumption that he must have been Bartin's son John who was baptised in 1740. 

Re. the 1801 apprentice record for William Burton to Thomas Clarke.  Does it give the trade that William was apprenticed into?

[hanes teulu]

I can't speak for Colin, but personally I don't believe that this (your) William is the grandson of Bartin Burton.

 .. it seems to me that people have simply jumped on it without question or further investigation.  Good for you for not doing the same!

My sentiments also and I echo your congratulating the poster for not jumping on the bandwagon.

[Jomot]

There are no further details about the apprentice record, unfortunately, but its just an index from a CD compiled by the Family History Society from records held at Leicester Archives, so there may be more information on the original document.

The accompanying notes say:

"Parish Poor Law Index 1598 – 1940s

This is a copy of the original index produced in 2003 on the first Poor Law CD and covers all the Poor Law cases found on the 20,000 Index Cards in the ROLLR*.   The information has been extracted from records found in the Parish Chests of the individual parishes".

*Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland