WORLEY of Kentucky

[oldohiohome]

1850 - you're right, That should be Polly, not Patty as I thought.And Dorcas is 2, not 21. I don't see twins. The column after the number tells you if the person is male or female. Dorcas is a female name (from the Bible).

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The transcription of the 1820 census at ancestry for Wiley Worley is incorrect. You need to look at the image. The census enumerator did not include a column that he should have, namely for free white males 16 to 18. It looks like the transcriber just assumed that all the columns were what they were supposed to be.

What made me catch the mistake was that it looked like he had 3 foreigners, not naturalized, in his household out in the middle of nowhere in Kentucky in 1820. I kept thinking I counted the columns wrong. I ran the numbers half a dozen times before I realized the enumerator left out that one category.

See https://www.census.gov/history/www/through_the_decades/index_of_questions/ and find 1820 in the left column. Bookmark it or copy the information for all the years into a file and save it. It will make your life a lot easier, especially for 1790 to 1840.

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earlier question - the U.S. censuses were not taken "on the night of." They were supposed to reflect the status of the household on the date of the census, but I wonder if they ever did.

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slaves were recorded in separate columns. see the column headers on Wiley Worley's page for 1820, for example.


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random thoughts.

Isaac Worley named two children Willis and Dorcas. That is one reason to think you have the right parents for him, but is there any other reason to think so? It seems like people say Isaac and a brother Willis were born in Anson County, NC. Is there proof? And was Wiley Worley the only Worley in Anson County when Isaac and his brother were born? The story from "The Wileys of Whitely County, Kentucky" on Wiley's page at familysearch says he died there. If true, it would be some evidence that he was from there.

That list of transcribed wills of Whitley County does not include Willis/Wiley. If he died suddenly at a young age, that would make sense. Too bad, since a will might have named his sons. Is there a household headed by a Dorcas in 1830 or 1840? Are Isaac or his brother in it? I haven't looked for it.

I wonder why Isaac had so many children before he named one after his father and mother? Have you found the Walkers? What were Elizabeth's parents' names?

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How does anyone know that the same Isaac married Elizabeth Walker, Margery Davis and Elizabeth Cassidy? I haven't looked yet, it was getting late. Were there any other Isaac Worleys in the area at the time, like a cousin or nephew? Are there death records for the first two wives, or birth or death records for any of the children? They might name their parents, including the mother's maiden name, if they died late enough.

It matters because you have DNA matches with children of the two Elizabeths, so if they were different people, you would be sure your match was with Isaac's line. Do you match any children of Margery Davis?

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What do you know about Isaac's brother Willis? Did he name a daughter Dorcas?

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Is the name Worley common in Yorkshire?

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I won't get back to this today, but maybe later in the week or over the weekend.

[oldohiohome]

P.S. so the wife in 1820 was the female 26 to 44.
extra males  can always be a farmhand, one of their brothers, or one of their fathers, or other relative.

[brigidmac]

Thanks so much once again
Unfortunately I can't do the clever filing  computer system that you suggested. I m a bit of a technophobe
& I work from my mobile phone a lot

I will answer your questions if I can
Yes I do have proof of different wives from birth records and finding children from earlier wives on censuses with half siblings & next wives

Actually have 26 thru lines to Wiley WORLEY & 23 to Dorcas meadows ( 3 top matches are  thru a Yorkshire lady if Wiley is the birth father
 16 are via Isaac via 5 children different mothers
5 are via Willis via 4 different children
 1 thru daughter Jemima
1 thru son Ruben

I've spoken to a descendant of Isaac's son Cader who has heard about an English connection but hasn't investigated that side much

[brigidmac]

Yes I saw the 3 " unnaturalized foreigners too & hoped they would be a clue but spotted the mistake on the original  and it. Was 3 people working in agriculture

I have a Welsh great great aunt called Dorcas and other biblical names 1great grandfather was Abiah
& An English gggfather was Nimrod

Re random thoughts Maybe  earlier Dorcas + Willis babies had died + they used the same name again .

I didn't notice what religion they were + whether this would be common practice .

I discovered  that Jewish religion it's considered unnatural to name children after living ancestors but families honour grandparents after their death by naming children after(for) them .

Our traditional Scottish naming system can be  helpful in confirming matches first son named after dad's father second son after mum's father
3rd son after dad
1st daughter after the mother's mother 2nd daughter takes fathers mother's name sometimes including the surname and third daughter has same name as mother ( I should have been called Mary Stephenson MacDermid but my father broke with tradition.& The spelling of my first name is Irish

English families tended to name first son after the father
But don't have the American tradition of adding 1st 2nd 3rd after each generation

[brigidmac]

"people say Isaac and a brother Willis were born in Anson County, NC. Is there proof? And was Wiley Worley the only Worley in Anson County when Isaac and his brother were born? The story from "The Wileys of Whitely County, Kentucky" on Wiley's page at familysearch says he died there. If true, it would be some evidence "

1850 + 1860 census for Isaac states born  north Carolina
Willis says birth place south Carolina in 1860

Wife of Isaac;  Elizabeth & children all born Kentucky
Kentucky birth records state the mother's name including surname Margerry DAVIS. Or Elizabeth /Betsy WALKER

1840 has Dorcas Worley ( Wiley's widow ) heading household with 3
males and 1 female aged 15- 30

Further up the page is Her son Wiley /Willis Worley with 4 males & 4 females in household which corresponds with his children

[brigidmac]

This family don't seem to care about naming children after maternal grandfatbef
Dorcas parents were Thomas and kesiah

Isaacs wife Elizabeth WALKER
Had father Jesse Alexander Jerry walker mother was Rachel Mary
Their first daughter was called Rachel

Margerys parents were Baxter & Mary/Polly 

Their  daughter was Alvida
Cader is an unusual first name and his  middle name Powell is a surname I wonder if he was named after a friend or important person

[oldohiohome]

Hi. I enjoyed this as you will probably be able to tell.
Military records:
I didn't see any reference to military service for Wiley Worley or his son Isaac. Wiley was born in 1775, so he wouldn't have been in the American Revolution. His father might have been, if you figure out who he was. Isaac was born about 1804, so he would have been 57 when the American Civil War started. I suppose he could have gone if he wanted to, but I doubt that they came looking for him. Maybe some of his sons were. They could have been on either side, if you start looking.

I started looking.

Matthew was a Union soldier (the North)
His wife applied for a widow's pension:
United States Civil War Widows and Other Dependents Pension Files, 1861-1934
Name   Marjory Owens Worley
Event Type   Pension
Event Date   1861 - 1934
Event Place   Kentucky
Relationship to Veteran   Widow
Veteran's Name   Mathew F Worley
Veteran's Military Unit   1 Kentucky Cavalry
Veteran's Military Company   H
Application Number   WC99829
Affiliate Record Group   15
Affiliate ARC Identifier   300020
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXXW-4NZ

Affiliate Publication Title   Index to Compiled Service Records of Volunteer Union Soldiers Who Served in Organizations From the State of Kentucky.
Name   Matthew F. Worlby
Alias   Mathew Woerly, Mathew F.
Military Beginning Rank   Private
Military Final Rank   Corporal
Military Side   Union
Military Unit   1st Regiment, Kentucky Cavalry
Military Company   H
Event Type   Military Service
Event Date   from 1861 to 1865
Event Place   Kentucky, United States
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F9R9-128

note there was also a 1st Kentucky Cavalry Regiment on the Confederate side.

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Andrew was a Union soldier as well.

Andrew Worley
Age   27 years
Birth Year (Estimated)   1835
Military Unit   Twelfth Infantry, Wh-Z AND Thirteenth Infantry, A
Event Type   Military Service
Event Date   1862
Event Place   Kentucky
Affiliate Publication Number   M397
Affiliate Publication Title   Compiled Service Records of Volunteer Union Soldiers Who Served in Organizations from the State of Kentucky

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F8NN-X29


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/69655856/andrew-j.-worley

burial record: 4 July 1862, no location.
at ancestry

These two pages at werelate have some added and maybe contradictory information:
Matthew's page said he died September 1864 at Andersonville prison. The records I found didn't name a date or place.
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Matthew_Worley_%281%29

Andrew's page says Andrew J died at Vicksburg, Mississippi, 15 July 1862. His burial record that I found said 4 July 1862, with no location.
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Andrew_Worley_%281%29

 
Thomas Meador served in the military during the American Revolution.
http://lancehallgenealogy.com/mobley/Moberly.html
and https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/genealogy/page6.html

In 1743, Thomas' father Jason Meador was fined for being a Quaker and refusing to bear arms. And for not attending the local Anglican church.
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~theduffypapers/family/meador/1738_jason_meador.htm

Haven't looked at the Mobleys for military records yet.

[oldohiohome]

1830 Census for Dorcas, Willis Worley and Isaac Worley
1830 Census, Dorcas, Isaac, Willis Worley, Whitley CO KY                                                                   

Dorcas Worley household
       1 m 5 to 9
       2 m 10 to 14
       1 m 15 to 19
       1 f 10 to 14
       1 f 40 to 49
       1 f 80 to 90

Willis Worley household

3 m 0 to 4
1 m 5 to 9
1 m 20 to 29
1 f 20 to 29

Isaac Worley household
1 m 20 to 29
2 f 0 to 4 [Rachel and Dorcas]
1 f 20 to 29
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHPZ-Q3V

note the 80 to 90 year old female with Dorcas, probably her mother.

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 Worley is an unincorporated community and coal town in McCreary County, Kentucky, United States.
 on Big South Fork of the Cumberland River. There is a Worley Hill Top Road.

 https://www.google.com/maps/place/Worley,+KY+42647/@36.7020917,-84.5509055,15.17z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x885d1232b42e0577:0x913bef77e0a251b6!8m2!3d36.6995218!4d-84.533828!16s%2Fm%2F0494vmq?entry=ttu

 McCreary County was formed in 1912 from parts of Wayne, Whitley, and Pulaski Counties, so this is the right place.
 https://history.ky.gov/markers/mccreary-county-1912

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The pages for the Worleys at werelate.org had some sources and good information.
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Wiley_Worley_(2)
click on other family members also.
Wiley's page was last modified 14 March 2024, so there might be someone there you can correspond with.

Note: It looks they have two Cader Powell Worleys confused. It looks like Dorcas and Wiley Worley had a son named Cader b 1823. then Isaac and Margery Davis had their son Cader in 1857.

[oldohiohome]

lots on Keziah Moberly/Mobley here. The second one looked more complete but I didn't compare carefully.

as found at https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~nolenancestry/genealogy/page6.html
as found at http://lancehallgenealogy.com/mobley/Moberly.html

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I think the connection to Yorkshire might be the Moberlys. There were a lot of them there when I tried just the name and county at ancestry, and not too many Worleys.

I didn't try Meador, that could be the connection also, since your matches are to Dorcas Meador, daughter of Keziah Mobley.

Anyway I started searching for Mobley + Yorkshire + Maryland (because that is where Keziah's earliest American ancestor is found, according to one of those links.

I found this:
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~mobleyb/genealogy/Family_History.html


1 Edward Moberley, b. WFT Est. 1531-1587, Yorkshire Co., England, d. WFT Est. 1569-1621,
m. WFT Est. 1555-1621 ________
1.1 William Moberley, b. WFT Est. 1569-1615, England, d. WFT Est. 1609-1659, England
1.1.1  Edward Moberley, b. WFT Est. 1609-1642, England, d. WFT Est. 1666-1701, England
1.1.1.1  William Moberley, b. 1665, England, d. WFT Est. 1699-1756
m. Phoebe Lovejoy, b. 1665, England, d. WFT Est. 1699-1760 [Phoebe is rumored to have been a "governess" for William Penn's family in PA., but no records remain to support this claim]
1.1.2 John Mobberly I, b. WFT Est. 1606-1635 in Cheshire, England, d. WFT Est. 1658-1697.
m. Abt. 1655 Elizabeth Woods, England, b. WFT Est. 1615-1638 in Cheshire, England , d. WFT Est. 1659-1709
1.1.2.1 John Moberley, Sr., b. Abt 1657, England, d. 1727, Maryland.
m. (1) Abt. 1686 Anne Biggers, England, b. Bet. 1658 - 1660, England, d. Bef. 1708, Maryland. [dau. of  John Biggers, (Col.)]
m. (2) Bef. 1708 Elizabeth Robertson, b. WFT Est. 1655-1690, Prince George Co., MD, d. WFT Est. 1711-1750.
m. (3) 2/28/1716 Susannah Scaggs, Queens Parrish, Prince George Co., MD, b. WFT Est. 1657-1699, d. WFT Est 1719-1753.
1.1.2.1.1 William Mobberly, b. 1692/93, d. WFT Est. 1694-1783
1.1.2.1.2  Edward Mobberly, b. 1696, d. WFT Est. 1697-1786

note: The last man, Edward, is in the files about Keziah's ancestry.

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here is something on the Meador family, where they were before Anson Co, NC, and their connections with the Mobleys.

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~theduffypapers/family/meador/1738_jason_meador.htm
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thoughts:
If the Meadors and Mobleys were that close to each other, and the Meadors were Quakers, then maybe the Mobleys were also. And maybe that is why they left England. I don't know, I didn't get that far.

None of those pages except for the Morleys at werelate.org have sources, so use with caution.

One of the pages, at werelate.org I think, got into the proof that Wiley Worley's wife Dorcas was the daughter of Thomas Meador and Keziah Mobley. I think a pretty strong point is the 1830 census of Dorcas' household with the 80 to 90 year old woman in it. Thomas died before 1826 - there are records in that year of his land going to a son and Keziah relinquishing rights to it.

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How far back have you traced your cousin's line in England? Does he/she have anyone named Mobley or Meador in their ancestry?