1850/1 Archibald Morrison Bap/Bir

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Thanks for the help on Archibald.

1881: 34 Hill Street, lodging with Moses Thompson, age 31, born Glasgow

I agree that this one IS the right Archibald. It possibly also show's his future father-in-law John McLachlan (aged 56). Archibald married a Margaret McLachlan in 1883 whos father is a John. If it not the same John then coincidence.

1871: 12 Weaver Street, age 20, born Glasgow, with widowed mother Mary and brother John, 35

Looking at the original document there is:
Mary - Head - Mar - 46 - Washerwoman - Islay, Kil.... (cannot make it out )
John - Son Unm - 25 - Labourer - Islay, Kil.... (cannot make it out )
Archibald - Son - 20 - Labourer - Lanarkshire, Glasgow

1861: Weaver Street, age 10, born Glasgow, with parents, brother John, 15, and younger siblings Peter and Catherine.

At home are:
James - Head - Mar - 49 - Labourer - Kilmichell Glassery
Mary - Wife - Mar - 35 - No trade - Port Charlotte, Kil .... (Cannot make it out)
John - Son - Unm - 15 - Labourer - Port Charlotte, Kil .... (Cannot make it out)
Archibald - Son - Unm - 10 - Scholar - Lanark Glasgow
Peter - Son - Unm 8 - Scholar - Lanark Glasgow
Catherine - Dau - 5 - Scholar - Lanark, Glasgow
(From original document)

1851: St Nicholas Place, aged 3 months, with parents and siblings Sarah, 8; John, 5; and Ann, 4, all born Islay.

I have this original document. The reason I am a little reticent that it correct is that all subsequent Census shows his birth place as Glasgow.
I've not found ANY birth/baptism for Archibald in the Glasgow area for him.
Also with his parents being married in 1850 Who are Sarah John and Ann I wonder?

John seems to have aged 20 years in the 10 years between the 1861 and 1871 census - might be a good idea to view the originals just to check.

The original is showing Archibald as:
1861 - 10 years old
1871 - 20 years old

For elimination purposes:
1851 Census, Islay: James Morrison, 26, with wife Mary, 25, and son William, 0, with Mary's parents Thomas Morrison and Isabella Gilchrist
1861 census, Kildalton, Islay: James Morrison, 35, with wife Ann, 30 and children William, 10; Janet, 8; Isabella, 6 and Mary, 4.
In 1871: James, 44; wife Ann, 39; children William, 20; Mary, 15; Ann, 9; Eliza, 7; Margaret, 5; Catherine, 3; Duncan, 1. The births index confirms that maiden surname the mother of the younger children was MacCuaig. James Morrison and Nancy McCuaig were married in Kildalton in 1861.
Can't find a death of James' son Archibald by his first wife Mary Morrison.
James Morrison died in Kildalton in 1871. His death certificate should confirm the name of his first wife.

These I'll have to have a further look in to.


As a further aside:
Archibald on the 1911 census shows as working at St Rollox Locomotive Works.
Rather amusing that I've worked on the railways all my life. 

[Forfarian]

with his parents being married in 1850 Who are Sarah John and Ann I wonder?

I have been trying to explain to you that I am sure that the couple in Glasgow are not the couple of the same names who were married in Islay in 1850. That couple stayed in Islay and had William c 1851, Janet c 1852, Isabella c 1854, Mary 1855, James 1857 and Gilbert, who was born and died in Islay in 1860, and his mother Mary Morrison died a few days after baby Gilbert.

Your Archibald's mother Mary was clearly alive and kicking after her namesake in Islay had died, because she is in the 1861 and 1871 censuses with Archibald.

Your Archibald's parents had Sarah c 1842, John c 1845, Ann c 1846, Archibald in 1850 or 1851, Peter c 1852 and Catherine c 1855. Therefore they must have been married about 1840/1841 but there is no record of the marriage, or of any of the children's baptisms. It's possible, but unlikely, that they didn't marry at all. Either way, the 1850 marriage has nothing to do with your Archibald's family.

[Forfarian]

James - Head - Mar - 49 - Labourer - Kilmichell Glassery
Mary - Wife - Mar - 35 - No trade - Port Charlotte, Kil .... (Cannot make it out)
John - Son - Unm - 15 - Labourer - Port Charlotte, Kil .... (Cannot make it out)

Port Charlotte is in the parish of Kilchoman. See https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Argyle/Kilchoman

The parish of Kilmichael Glassary is on the mainland of Argyll. See https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Argyle/Glassary

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with his parents being married in 1850 Who are Sarah John and Ann I wonder?

I have been trying to explain to you that I am sure that the couple in Glasgow are not the couple of the same names who were married in Islay in 1850. That couple stayed in Islay and had William c 1851, Janet c 1852, Isabella c 1854, Mary 1855, James 1857 and Gilbert, who was born and died in Islay in 1860, and his mother Mary Morrison died a few days after baby Gilbert.

Your Archibald's mother Mary was clearly alive and kicking after her namesake in Islay had died, because she is in the 1861 and 1871 censuses with Archibald.

Your Archibald's parents had Sarah c 1842, John c 1845, Ann c 1846, Archibald in 1850 or 1851, Peter c 1852 and Catherine c 1855. Therefore they must have been married about 1840/1841 but there is no record of the marriage, or of any of the children's baptisms. It's possible, but unlikely, that they didn't marry at all. Either way, the 1850 marriage has nothing to do with your Archibald's family.

OK I get that. Thanks.

I have done a ScotlandPeople search for the following:
Suname: Morrison
Forename: none
Gender: both
Father: Archibald
Mother: Mary
Years: 1840 - 1847
This is all that came up:
   
MORRISON
ELISABETH
ARCHIBALD MORRISON MARY MCDONALD FR1812 (FR1812)
F
23/02/1845
564 / 3
60 / 375
GREENOCK OLD OR WEST

MORRISON
MARY
ARCHIBALD MORRISON MARY MCDONALD FR1715 (FR1715)
F
28/02/1841
564 / 3
60 / 182
GREENOCK OLD OR WEST

MORRISON
JANET BOWIE
ARCHIBALD MORRISON/MARY JOHNSTON FR3117 (FR3117)
F
18/05/1847
479
110 / 371
FALKIRK

MORRISON
ARCHIBALD
ARCHIBALD MORRISON/MARY JOHNSTON
M
18/05/1844
479
110 / 218
FALKIRK

Same criteria only I removed the parents and searched for Susan:
   
MORRISON
ELISABETH
ARCHIBALD MORRISON MARY MCDONALD FR1812 (FR1812)
F
23/02/1845
564 / 3
60 / 375
GREENOCK OLD OR WEST
MORRISON
MARY
ARCHIBALD MORRISON MARY MCDONALD FR1715 (FR1715)
F
28/02/1841
564 / 3
60 / 182
GREENOCK OLD OR WEST
MORRISON
JANET BOWIE
ARCHIBALD MORRISON/MARY JOHNSTON FR3117 (FR3117)
F
18/05/1847
479
110 / 371
FALKIRK
MORRISON
ARCHIBALD
ARCHIBALD MORRISON/MARY JOHNSTON
M
18/05/1844
479
110 / 218
FALKIRK

Same Criteria for Ann with a father of Archibald (lots if the fathers name left off)
Surname   Forename   Parents/Other details   Gender   Birth/Baptism Date   Parish Number   Ref   Parish   
MORRISON
MARY ANN
ARCHIBALD MORRISON/ANN FARQUHAR
F
01/10/1841
043
40 / 397
WICK
MORRISON
ANN
ARCHIBALD MORRISON/ELIZABETH TOSH FR741 (FR741)
F
30/07/1846
725
30 / 180
YESTER

Came criteria (changed to John with a father of Archibald)

Surname   Forename   Parents/Other details   Gender   Birth/Baptism Date   Parish Number   Ref   Parish   
MORRISON
JOHN
ARCHIBALD MORRISON/JEAN MCKENZIE FR5336 (FR5336)
M
03/03/1840
644 / 1
360 / 13
GLASGOW

Not seem to match up.

No Peters between 1840 - 1855 with a father of Archibald.

Many Catherines on the Statutory but none with a mother's maiden name of Morrison.

The only Catherine on the old Parish Registers is:
Surname   Forename   Parents/Other details   Gender   Birth/Baptism Date   Parish Number   Ref   Parish   
MORRISON
CATHERINE
ARCHIBALD MORRISON/CATHERINE BRODIE FR1065 (FR1065)
F
03/10/1854
644 / 2
50 / 347
GORBALS

Looks like none of them were registered.

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James - Head - Mar - 49 - Labourer - Kilmichell Glassery
Mary - Wife - Mar - 35 - No trade - Port Charlotte, Kil .... (Cannot make it out)
John - Son - Unm - 15 - Labourer - Port Charlotte, Kil .... (Cannot make it out)

Port Charlotte is in the parish of Kilchoman. See https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Argyle/Kilchoman

The parish of Kilmichael Glassary is on the mainland of Argyll. See https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Argyle/Glassary

Thanks for the clarification 

[Forfarian]

Looks like none of them were registered.

Just exactly so.

Very annoying, but facts (or the absence of them) are chiels that winna ding.

[Lensmeister]

I just realised the searches I did abover were for:

a father called Archibald!!! Should have been JAMES!
What a numpty I am!!!!!!!! 

So I have done a search on SP thus:

Surname: m*r*s*n
Forename: none
Years: 1840 - 1855
Gender: Both
Father: James
Mother: Mary

Again lots of results none of the ones I am looking for.

[Forfarian]

I had a look at the Statistical Accounts of Kilchoman at https://stataccscot.edina.ac.uk/static/statacc/dist/parish/Argyle/Kilchoman

See screenshot, extracted from the New Statistical Account.
 
Also https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.4&lat=55.74020&lon=-6.38733&layers=257&b=1&o=100 which shows that there was a Free Kirk in Port Charlotte. Why would the Morrisons traipse all the way to the Church of Scotland Parish Kirk at Kilchoman when there was an alternative on the doorstep? Unfortunately (as far as I can see) no registers kept by the Port Charlotte Free Kirk are in the care of the National Records of Scotland, and even if they ever existed they may not have survived.

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@Forfarian Thank you for looking.

It seems that the family weren't registered or if they were its all lost in the sands of time.

I have other Scottish and Irish branches of the wife's family to search still.

Thanks you again for all your time and help