Mary Ann Bell Nee Clutton

[Ashtone]

As regards the 1909 burial mentioned earlier (Reply #2), could this be her?

Deaths Mar 1909   
BELL    Mary Ann    26    Manchester    8d   180    

[NorthernGeezer]

I would say not Ashtone, there is no connection with Manchester at this point in time, but fast forward after WW1 and some of them end up there, its where I'm from.
In 1907 she gave birth to a daughter, Alice, in Sandbach and I can see no reason for her to move out of the area.
The info I have at the moment, which I admit may be wrong, she died in 1907, her daughters did not stay with the father Joseph, they went to live with the Clutton's, at this point I'm not sure whether it was the grandmother Sarah Jane or the aunt Sarah Jane.
At some point also, the son William born in 1904 went to live with his grandfather Samuel Bell.
Very messy for a genealogy search I think.

[Milliepede]

The info I have at the moment, which I admit may be wrong, she died in 1907

Can I ask where the info came from please?  If she could have died at some other time we can look again. 

Is her husband shown as a widower in 1911?  She may have left the family or been ill somewhere rather than died 

Another thought is if her parents were alive in 1911 you can check number of children who have died to confirm she was included.

[Milliepede]

Joseph Bell

WW1 attestation lists wife Elizabeth? and the 3 children William Clutton - Elsie Jane Bell - Alice Bell

Document date 1915 - widowed

Even more confusing.  Sorry not being much help here with the question at hand. 

[NorthernGeezer]

Your right about the family in 1915, Joseph married Elizabeth collected the kids and moved to Manchester.
Elsie is my grandmother, and my dad, who is still alive, remembers Elizabeth as his grandmother, he just assumed that she was the 3 children's mother because nobody told him any different.
He ended fighting in WW1 and on his return worked in the Docks with my grandad, struck up a friendship and ended up marrying Elsie.
I'll do a bit more digging regarding Mary Ann taking account of your notes and see what I can find.

[wilcoxon]

Gro index birth
1908 Sept qtr Chester
Edith Bell mmn Clutton

1911 Tranmere.
Edith Bell aged 2 is a nurse child
She is with Albert Edward Hollins 39 a ship repairer b Staffordshire
Sarah Ann Hollins 38 b Staffordshire.

It's interesting.

[wilcoxon]

Gro index birth
1908 Sept qtr Chester
Edith Bell mmn Clutton

1911 Tranmere.
Edith Bell aged 2 is a nurse child
She is with Albert Edward Hollins 39 a ship repairer b Staffordshire
Sarah Ann Hollins 38 b Staffordshire.

It's interesting.

Red herring. 🙁
Edith is the daughter of George Bell and Margaret Clutton.

[NorthernGeezer]

I'm fairly new to this myself wilcoxon and I've still got wrong people in notes cos I cant yet find the evidence for the right people, Mary Ann Clutton is a perfect example, someone so near timescale wise but still feels miles away.
Someone once pointed out to me that you can only reach as far back as the evidence allows, if I cant find evidence of her death so be it, the Cluttons are a big clan so I can at least reach back a bit further.

[NorthernGeezer]

Millipede.
Joseph Bell is noted as a widower in the 1911 census, living in Sandbach and its worth noting that the children are NOT listed on the census with him.
Given the last child, Alice, was born in 1907, that gives a 4 year window for the death of Mary Ann.
William Bell Clutton, age 6, son of Joseph and Mary Ann is listed as living with Samuel bell in the 1911 census in Sandbach.
Both Elsie and Alice ARE listed in the 1911 census as living with there Aunt, Sarah Jane Clutton in Wheelock.
I'm now starting to think that the 1907 date is wrong for Mary Ann's death and maybe she IS the 1909 death at reply 2 by Ashtone.