matilda mayes/masey

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There is a transcription for the bap of Thomas Johns on ancestry. it doesn't give an address.

Born 11 March 1885, bap 5 April 1885
Father Thomas?? Johns   (s/b George)
Mother Maria Anna Clabby Johns


Image on FindMyPast it was at the Catholic Church, still no address

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Catherine was bap there as well

Catherina Johns born 24 June 1886, bap 18 July 1886
Father Georgie
Mother Mariae Annae Johns nee Clabby

God parents Anna Fox and Jacobus Ratican/Patican

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GRO Index
Matilda says she had 13 children so far I can find 12 all with mother's maiden name as MAYES

Edith Diana 1891 (Mays) reg. Birmingham
Matilda 1893 reg. Aston  died 1893 reg. Birmingham*
Clara 1894   died 1895*
William Thomas 1895
Florence Annie 1897  died 1897*
May Elizabeth 1898
Horace 1899   died 1899*
Ernest 1900
Frederick Valentine 1902
Lily 1904  died 1905*
Albert 1906
Violet 1908

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GRO Index
Matilda says she had 13 children so far I can find 12 all with mother's maiden name as MAYES

Edith Diana 1891 (Mays) reg. Birmingham
Matilda 1893 reg. Aston  died 1893 reg. Birmingham
Clara 1894   died 1895
William Thomas 1895
Florence Annie 1897  died 1897
May Elizabeth 1898
Horace 1899   died 1899
Ernest 1900
Frederick Valentine 1902
Lily 1904
Albert 1906
Violet 1908

I have

George Johns
1884–

Edith Diana Johns
1891–1957

Matilda Johns
1893–1893

William Thomas Johns
1896–1948

May Elizabeth Johns
1898–1985 -  Ive marriage certificate for May and my great grandfather John William Hadley

Horace Johns
1899–1899

Ernest Johns
1900–1952

Frederick Valentine Johns
1902–1975


Albert Johns
1906–1961

Violet Johns
1908–1939


Then you have 3 who died young

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Try the GRO Index you have to sign in but no funds required unless you order a certificate.
It gives the mother's maiden name.

George is NOT Matilda's son he is Mary Ann nee Clabbey and George Johns son.

See my post at 23.12. Reply # 3
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I found an image of the  marriage of George Johns to Mary Ann Clabbey her father was Patrick
His father was Thomas (deceased)
George was living on Fayly ?Street
Mary Ann was living on Aston Street.

Hence first son George Patrick Johns 1883.

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George's first wife Mary Ann died 1887 age 24 so he and Matilda got together sometime after 1887.

He had a 4 year old son to care for. (George Patrick 1883)

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George's first wife Mary Ann died 1887 age 24 so he and Matilda got together sometime after 1887.

He had a 4 year old son to care for. (George Patrick 1883)

Thanks.  If you or anyone can help in trying to work out the parents, siblings of thomas and sabina that would be useful as I wish to identify them as I have matilda's children with George etc tho any help is useful.  What I really want to do is work out, which records are wrong, was Sabina a sneath or snell, though from what you found earlier its quite possible she was snell.  Im going to try and see if there are any newspaper articles.  But yes any help at all will be so appreciated as its taken so long to get this far.  If I can work out if Thomas is masey or mayes that will help, though Im starting to think perhaps on the birth certificate, his name has been misspelt too??  Wondering what you all think.  Thanks for the help

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A possibility - 1871 Census Birmingham, St Luke
There is a Thomas Macey age 26 , grocer, born Wiltshire.
He is with wife Emily who he married in 1870

Thanks.  Not sure on this as I dont know if Thomas or Sabina married.  If they were, then this Thomas may not be the person whose Matilda's dad but equally it could be.

Update...I found this on the GRO and wondering if this is again a transcription error

MAISEY, ELIZA       SNELL 
GRO Reference: 1861  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 128

Eliza was christened in July.  Could this be the same Eliza as above?

I saw this however, tho I think badly transcribed.  In the 1871 census there is also a eliza mayes.  Theres a 5 yrs difference approx in age.  However when I went on the gro, I could not locate an Eliza masey mmn sneath.  Also the below entry says snell instead of sneath

Name   Sabinζ Snell Masy
Gender   Female
Spouse   
Thomζ Masy
Child   
Eliza Masy

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Census:   1861
County:   Warwickshire (WAR)
District:   St Paul
Civil Parish:   Birmingham
Ecclesiastical Parish:   
Piece:   2151
Enumeration District:   6
Folio:   110
Page:   23
Schedule:   121
House Number:   3
House or Street Name:   Hse 41 Crt Livery St

MEZSEY   Thomas   Head      23   Fish Monger   born Norfolk   Yarmouth      
MEZSEY   Louisa   Wife      20      born Warwickshire   Birmingham      
(On Ancestry it is transcribed as MEZEY)

 - Note the address is Livery Street – same as on marriage certificate.
 - Thomas is a fishmonger – agrees with marriage information, and info on child’s birth.
 - Ages would agree with Louisa / Sebrina being under age when she married in 1860.


Thomas MASSEY baptism 3 Jul 1837 Great Yarmouth
Parents Robert and Margaret (shoemaker)
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/64ba8847f493fdfaa756ea0f/thomas-maisey-baptism-norfolk-great-yarmouth-1837-07-03?locale=en


1851 census Thomas MAISEY
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDJ-ZWS

Father Robert is a shoemaker – this agrees with information on Thomas' marriage record.

1841 census for Maisey Family
This transcription is missing some children (page turns)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGDJ-Z71