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Re: Person alive but not mentioned in 1901 census.
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 13 April 24 07:22 BST (UK) »

Daughter Lavenia's birth shows father as John Todd, furnaceman.

I read that as a ? Merchant

Sorry, forgot to post link- think it's clearly Furnace Man.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03014/2104391.pdf

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Mansfield Street to Blenheim Street

52. Todd, John, fireman


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Re: Person alive but not mentioned in 1901 census.
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 13 April 24 08:07 BST (UK) »
Just to clarify my post - here is Lavenia’s marriage where I can’t decipher her father’s occupation properly. I am sure you folk can sort it.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10132/5686331.pdf
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Re: Person alive but not mentioned in 1901 census.
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 13 April 24 08:26 BST (UK) »
Just to clarify my post - here is Lavenia’s marriage where I can’t decipher her father’s occupation properly. I am sure you folk can sort it.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10132/5686331.pdf


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Re: Person alive but not mentioned in 1901 census.
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 13 April 24 16:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much everyone for all of this work. I'm surprised how quickly it can be done by people who are experienced. It takes me ages to find this stuff out.

I'm constantly surprised at how variable the records are - for example, my Great Grandmother Maria Ann Todd is variously listed as Maria, Maria Ann, Mary and Mary Ann. Her age varies as well in various documents.

Also, such a lot of moving house back then - and professions.

How lucky is is to have that little note in the margin of the death registry document for John Todd. Without that, which mentioned Marie Todd, I would have found that entry and discounted it.

I'm now planning to see if I can find her death details.

Thanks again.

Thanks again.


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Re: Person alive but not mentioned in 1901 census.
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 13 April 24 16:14 BST (UK) »
Possibility?
D/1930/49/1007/113/3   Maria   Todd   31st December 1929   76      Female   Belfast
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Re: Person alive but not mentioned in 1901 census.
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 14 April 24 18:43 BST (UK) »
Possibility?
D/1930/49/1007/113/3   Maria   Todd   31st December 1929   76      Female   Belfast
Thanks for this.

OK, I've had a look at that on geni.nidirect.gov.uk. I did my own fairly wide ranging search and found only one Maria Todd kept coming up. I looked also in civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie but curiously couldn't find a Maria Todd death record there anywhere. Lots of Marys but none seem correct.

Anyway, although the age of 76 seemed wrong (age 50 in 1901 census would suggest age 78 in 1929), I paid for a 'full view' and sure enough, present at death is one Mrs J Cummings. Thanks to 'tonepad's earlier post, we know that her daughter Lavinia married Thomas John Cummings, so that would be Marias daughter. That makes the connection well enough for me. And yet another address!

I saw that the death record of John Alexander Todd showed an address of 51 Lisburn Road not just for him but for others too on that page, which seemed odd. After searching, I discovered that to be the address for the early incarnation of what later became Belfast City Hospital. So he was ill in hospital on the date of the 1901 census, so that's why he wasn't recorded at home on that record.

All very satisfactory.

Thanks to everyone for all the help with this. I've now got much more information than I ever expected.

I'll no doubt be back asking for more help when looking into my maternal family.

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Re: Person alive but not mentioned in 1901 census.
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 14 April 24 18:48 BST (UK) »

 I looked also in civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie but curiously couldn't find a Maria Todd death record there anywhere. Lots of Marys but none seem correct.

That site doesn't cover the northeast of Ireland after 1921.
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Re: Person alive but not mentioned in 1901 census.
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 14 April 24 18:56 BST (UK) »
It was heywood that found posted the marriage earlier. Good to know you did find the correct death for Maria. People didn't worry too much about ages or birthdays so not surprising to find differences from record to record.
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Re: Person alive but not mentioned in 1901 census.
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 14 April 24 20:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks both.

Yes, I hadn't understood that the Irish genealogy site didn't cover N. Ireland after 1921. Makes sense.

And thank you heywood. Sorry I got that credit wrong.