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« on: Saturday 13 April 24 16:57 BST (UK) »
Hi

I am looking at a couple of baptism records that use the word 'Povar' or 'Pevar' after the name of the father. Any ideas as to what or where this references? Is it an old way of saying 'Peover'? The baptism records are from late 17th/early 18th century Lymm and from the same father (I assume) i.e. John Leigh.

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Re: Povar
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 April 24 18:40 BST (UK) »
It could be an occupation such as Pavier.
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Re: Povar
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 April 24 20:22 BST (UK) »
If you give names and dates perhaps we can take a look. 
It would be easier. 🙂
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Re: Povar
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 April 24 21:05 BST (UK) »
Peover is pronounced Peever so that is almost certainly the places they intended. Of course you still have a choice of Over Peover or Lower Peover (alias Peover Superior and Inferior) but at least they are next to each other.


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Re: Povar
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 April 24 21:15 BST (UK) »
Here's an example.

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Re: Povar
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 April 24 21:20 BST (UK) »
Peover is pronounced Peever so that is almost certainly the places they intended. Of course you still have a choice of Over Peover or Lower Peover (alias Peover Superior and Inferior) but at least they are next to each other.

Thank you! A location such as Upper/Lower Peover would make sense. But wouldn't it be strange that the baptisms would be held at such a distance (c. 13 miles) from Lymm, given the other (closer) churches in the area.

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Re: Povar
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 April 24 19:54 BST (UK) »


Cheshire Parish Register Database has transcribed it as  Peov.  abbreviated .

FORENAME MARY SEX F
FATHER_FORENAME*JON SURNAME LEIGH
RESIDENCE PEOV 
NAME_1*JOHN ADDITIONAL_INFORMATION*7090411 *
JOHN:JON LEIGH PEVAR
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Re: Povar
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 April 24 22:19 BST (UK) »


Cheshire Parish Register Database has transcribed it as  Peov.  abbreviated.

FORENAME MARY SEX F
FATHER_FORENAME*JON SURNAME LEIGH
RESIDENCE PEOV 
NAME_1*JOHN ADDITIONAL_INFORMATION*7090411 *
JOHN:JON LEIGH PEVAR


Thank you!! Is there a database of Lymm baptisms available that make sense of some of the descriptors? I have a few more that would be great to test. e.g. Peter Leigh (03 Oct 1669), Jane Leigh (Jul 1677),  and Alice Leigh (17 Jul 1680) to name a few ;)



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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 April 24 23:54 BST (UK) »
There is a 'Glossary' page on The Cheshire Parish Register Project site, which gives a list of abbreviations for the parishes.
eg "ALDA : Alderley BTs
ALDL : Alderley
AUDL : Audlem
BACA : Backford BTs
BACK : Backford
BEBI : Bebington
BIDA : Bidston BTs
BIDS : Bidston
BROA : Bromborough BTs
BROB : Bromborough
BUNB : Bunbury
BURT : Burton
CEJB : Chester, St John
CEMA : Chester, St Mary BTs
CEMY : Chester, St Mary
CHDL : Cheadle
CHDX : Cheadle BTs
DAVA : Davenham BTs


However, if you scroll further down the Glossary to 'residence', you'll find a long list of them.

The baptism of Peter, father John, in 1669 says residence as "SINK".
SHYG : Shady Grove.
SIBB : Sibbersfield.
SIDD : Siddington.
SIDE : Sidebottom Fold.
SIDH : Siddalls Hill.
SIMG : Simms Green.
SIMH : Simmonds Hill.
SIMM : Simmonds Green.
SIND : Sinderland.
SING : Sinderland Green.
SINK : Sinck Moss.
SKEL : Skellorn Green.
SLAC : Slack, The.
SLAH : Slaughter H


There is no residence transcribed for the baptism of 'Alis" in 1680.
Next to the baptism of Jane in 1677 is 'LEHH".
 LEFT : Leftwich.
LEGH : Legh.
LEHH : High Legh.
LEHH : Legh, High.
LEHP : Ley Hey Park.
LEIG : Leighton.
LEIH : Leigh.
LEIL : Leigh, Little.
LEIL : Little Leigh.
LEIN : Leighton in Nantwich.
LEIS : Leighton in Neston.
LEYL : Leylands.



I see there is also a John Leigh baptised April 11 1667, father John of "SINK".
Also a Josiah Leigh baptised Dec 5 1686, father John of 'LEHH"

There are many, many baptisms where there is no place of residence given.
You can click on each entry in the CPRP to find the other information given in the entries in the registers - at this point in time it looks usually just the father's name.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs