Mystery MANSFIELD.family

[brigidmac]

Fanny Ruby BARROW married Harry Goldberg age 17
I think too young to be birth mother of Frances Mansfield but not ruling it out .

On the 1891 census Francis Mansfield
Is recorded as daughter but she is on bottom line under the servant girl below Harry Goldsberg

In 1901 she is recorded as niece
So now I have to check out Amelia Barrow nee RULE s siblings

Big news ...there are 2  DNA links to  descendants of Amelia Minnie Barrow1868
Daughter of Amelia RULE


Earlier census she's with husband Robert BARROW

[heywood]

There is a marriage St Mary’s Edgehill June 1887

George Daniel Mansfield, 22 yrs, Green Grcer - father John, a Grocer
Frances Alice Waldron, 22 yrs, father Leopold, a Fishmonger
Witnesses
George Linacre and Eliza Barrow

No idea if this is helpful.

[heywood]

In 1881 3703 /37/13

Alice Barrow, 15 yrs is with her parents Robert and Amelia and siblings at 48 Overbury Street.

Francis Alice Waldron, 22 yrs, spinster shows a residence - Overbury Street.

[heywood]

Alice was born in Chatham, Kent according to censuses with Robert and Amelia

1891 2981/91
There is a Frances Mansfield, b Chatham, Kent in Walton Prison, Liverpool. She is married.

[heywood]

Sorry these are all in drubs and drabs and I hope they are useful

1901 3423/41/29
Christian Street, Liverpool

John Davies, 34 yrs b Ireland
Frances Davies, 30 yrs b Chatham
Minnie Davies 3 yrs b Liverpool

Minnie Davies b 1897 mmn Barrow

Added
I think Minnie is in a school/institution in 1911 - an inmate

[aghadowey]

Would this make sense?

21 Feb.1887- baby girl born in Rotunda Hospital, Dublin. Father- George Mansfield, grocer's asst., with address given as 6 Montgomery St.. Mother- Frances _ (could her 'maiden' name be Walden or Wallen which was misheard from Waldron?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02572/1951004.pdf
Couple go back to England, baby cared for perhaps by Amelia Barrow
June? 1887- George Daniel Mansfield, green grocer, married Frances Alice Waldron (both age 22) at Edgehill, Lancs?

More to post but want opinions first please.

[heywood]

  aghadowey,
I have outlined that scenario in my posts.     Replies #19 on..

[brigidmac]

Thanks again .
I will plod through this information and see what I can rule in or out

The Barrows led interesting lives
Amelia Minnie Barrow married a man who changed his name 3 time
She was in and out of workhouse when he deserted her

 DNA match has connection  thru youngest daughter Martha(B. Isaacs) 
1911 married to frank Randell their
Daughter June Randell was grandmother to the match

The other match is a granddaughter of eldest daughter Rebecca 1900 who married Robert George Smith.

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Yes I came across a married Frances Mansfield who was in jail for larceny 1 month

[heywood]

From the records I have posted, I think Alice Barrow may have used the name Frances.