Isabella Blcak

[wivenhoe]

Corrections here for years, ages -  at Michael FINLAY and son  John -

From the inscription headstone -


* husband Michael FINLAY killed Dalry Mill      30 May 1847    52y     (b ~ 1795)

* the above Helen McKENNEN                        20 Jul 1884     77y     (b ~  1807)

* son John                                                     8 Apr 1843     14y    (b ~ 1849)

And this no longer relevant -

If dates are correct, John (son of Helen McKENNEN) born ~ 1849, is not the child of Helen's husband, Michael FINLAY, who died 1847.

Is there a second marriage for Helen?

[mckha489]

John died 1843 not 63. Sorry didnt pick that up before.

[mckha489]

I can't see any church burials for Irvine between 1797 and 1855 on Scotlands People which appears to tie in with this https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Irvine,_Ayrshire,_Scotland_Genealogy

Quite a lot of headstones here

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t4h/

[elinga]

to all the people who have contributed and helped ....Blimey
I dont know where to start , seems I have opened a hornets nest !
tbh I have only made my interest in Isabella John and Helen as they are my direct lineage , so havent really paid too much attention to the other names and dates on the gravestone !
that being said , I am off on holiday for 2 weeks , so when I get back I will get into this again and do a bit more research and see what comes out of it !
thank you again and I will be back :-)
regards
Elinga

[elinga]

 so I have gone over the names on the headstone and this is what I have found !
Michael Findlay husband , died 30.5 1847 aged 52
No confirmation
Helen McKennon self, died 20.7.1884 aged aged 77
Death certificate confirmed
John Findlay her son , died 8.4.1863 aged 14
(John Findlay dob 12/10/1829 Irvine)
Death FINDLAY
JOHN
1861
M
14
597/ 13/ 8
KILMARNOCK
AYR

William (Auld) Findlay her son, died 6.12.1875 aged 36
Death Certificate confirmed died 6.12.1874

John McKennon her father, died October 1810 aged 24 in Chelsea England
No Record found
Isabella Black her mother , died 3.11.862 aged 77
Death Certificate confirmed 4.11.1862
Elizabeth Black her aunt, died 10.9.1852 aged 77
No confirmation
Margaret Scouler her cousin ,died 29.8.1863 aged 63
Margaret Black Sculare Or Crookshank
Death Certificate confirmed 1863
SCOULAR
MARGARET
63
BLACK
F
1863
595 / 179
IRVINE


Michael Findlay her son ,  died 5.12.1883 aged 48
Catherine Findlay her daughter , died 9.9.1898 aged 69
Margaret Findlay, her daughter , died 3.3.1913 ??
Michael Findlay her grandson , died 30.5.1934 aged 72 ?

Helen McKinnon Findlay according to her death certificate she was 75 when she died in 1884, giving her an approximate dob 1809 ……1809-1884

Michael Findlay (Finlay) according to 1841 census he was 46 , giving him an approximate DOB 1795 and he died in an accident at work in Dalry , May 29.1847 …..1795-1847
John and Katherine Glasgow Finlay were  born in Irvine , 12.10.1829
parents MICHAEL FINLAY and HELEN MCKENNON (according to birth certificate from scotlandspeople ,
Both are mentioned in the 1841 census from scotlandspeople aged 11
John Findlay on Familysearch , died on 08 Apr 1843 in Irvine, birth 1829. 1829-1843
Directed to this grave in the Old Parish Church , which I believe is the same one as mentioned in the original post !

so what do you guys think ?
regards
Elinga

[mckha489]

I am not quite sure what you are asking.

(John her son who died age 14 died in 1843, not 1863)

[elinga]

mckha489
if you look over the previous posts there were discrepancies in the dates regarding the headstone  and I have gone over everything I have on the peoples names listed and posted what I know/or not !
John mentioned on the headstone I couldnt find , but I have John born 1829 and mentioned in the 1841 census with his parents Helen and Michael Finlay , but he is not mentioned in the 1851 or 1861 census with his family and couldnt find a death for him either !!
but you say there was one who died in 1842 aged 14 so where did you get that information ?

[Forfarian]

John mentioned on the headstone I couldnt find , but I have John born 1829 and mentioned in the 1841 census with his parents Helen and Michael Finlay , but he is not mentioned in the 1851 or 1861 census with his family and couldnt find a death for him either !!

John Findlay her son , died 8.4.1863 aged 14
(John Findlay dob 12/10/1829 Irvine)

If John was born in 1829 he was a lot older than 14 by 1863. I wondered if 1863 was a mistranscription of 1843, which would fit age-wise and also tallies with the census information you quoted.

This reference

Death FINDLAY
JOHN
1861
M
14
597/ 13/ 8
KILMARNOCK
AYR

is from the census index, not from the deaths index. This child is the stepson of John Harvie, one of four children of Alexander Findlay and Elizabeth Cuthbertson, who were married in Kilmarnock in 1840.

[elinga]

Hi Forfarian, maybe it is a mistake , seems the likeliest explanation and as you say the dates fit better !
the John Findlay I found in Kilmarnock was the only John Findlay  fitting the dates , thank you for ruling him out !
thanks for your input !