Bertie Byrne - Hacketstown

[Wexflyer]

I think it is reasonably clear that the birth wasn't registered.

That being so, OP should look to the parish registers in Hacketstown, and failing that, maybe Baltinglass, where the workhouse was located. Similar advice already given, but at this point it really is the obvious next step.

[heywood]

Not sure if this is the same family as I can only view this snippet.

Carlow Nationalist, 7 July 1894: Hacketstown Petty Sessions. Thursday. Before Colonel Dennis, (chairman), Messrs R.R. Kennedy, R.M. and J.O. Adair. Curious Charge Of Larceny. Two women named Bridget Byrne and Mary Byrne, mother and daughter were prosecuted …

Reply #22, Mary b 1872
She is not with Bridget in 1901, when there are the 7 children in the household.
As mentioned previously, Bridget has written 7 children still living, although that entry is crossed through as Bridget is a widow.
I am not putting Mary forward as  mother to Bertie but that she may be one of the deceased children.

As I wrote earlier, the parish record for marriage might give a clue - perhaps a cross reference to a baptism, or the church might hold a baptism record.
Wexflyer, has also suggested a baptism in the workhouse parish.

[heywood]

I find it puzzling that if one of the sons was the father and Bertie was raised in the famiky, why would he not give a father’s name on his marriage.
Was it the same on his second marriage?

[Wexflyer]

I find it puzzling that if one of the sons was the father and Bertie was raised in the famiky, why would he not give a father’s name on his marriage.
Was it the same on his second marriage?

Excellent point.

OP has stated that second marriage registration has not been checked.

[Wexflyer]

I am not putting Mary forward as  mother to Bertie but that she may be one of the deceased children.

Of the four five (see below) daughters, Mary  has to be the leading/only reasonable candidate. She was the only one old enough in 1901, and she seems to have been alive - no death registered for her between 1894 and 1902, or a marriage.
This may be her in the 1901 census, as a servant in Main St. Hacketstown, single, aged 28. Living with two priests and a coachman.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Hacketstown/Main_Street/308166/ - wrong census

Catherine - Died January 1901, aged 13
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05737/4619563.pdf

Margaret  - Was alive, but only turned 12 in December 1901 -almost certainly too young.

Ellen - Was alive, but  only turned 11 in September 1901. Too young.


So that leaves Mary....

[Wexflyer]

And here is the man himself. Fine looking fellow
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/257951191/bertram-byrne

[Wexflyer]

OP started three separate threads about Bertie, but doesn't seem too interested to respond to the latest developments

[heywood]

That census for Mary is 1911 not 1901, Wexflyer, so the age doesn’t fit.

There was also a daughter, Bridget, b 1876, I think.

[Wexflyer]

That census for Mary is 1911 not 1901, Wexflyer, so the age doesn’t fit.

There was also a daughter, Bridget, b 1876, I think.

Ah so, desu ka?

But then there were 12 children, not 11.

So, both Mary and Bridget are candidate mothers.