Place? unclear on death cert

[MonicaL]

Does look like the abbreviation of James.

He did have a son James, didn't he? Showing as aged 8 on the 1851 census living at Thrushgrove house. Other sons showing as Michael, Daniel and Thomas?

Monica

[bbart]

Free to view (not sure if you have to register or not):
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-viewer?issue=BL%2F0000060%2F18550815&page=5&article=025&stringtohighlight=daniel+knight+thrushgrove

Above is an article from the Glasgow Herald, 15 Aug 1855, describing the trial of a Daniel Knight, and son Michael in the vicinity of Thrushgrove House.
Looking at other articles, apparently this area was well known for these occurrences.

[AlanBoyd]

The article linked in reply #6 explains that James Turner's Thrushgrove estate was near the junction of Garngad Road with Castle Street (see Figure 3 at the link for a map), and that it was later the site of Turner Street, Villiers Street, Bright Street and Cobden Street.

The newspaper article in reply #10 refers to Villiers Street nearby to Thrushgrove House.

This view of the 25 inch OS map from 1856/1860 shows the location of Villiers Street:

https://maps.nls.uk/view/74953126#zoom=5&lat=3399&lon=11478&layers=BT

For an even closer view here is the Town Plan of 1857:

https://maps.nls.uk/view/74416134#zoom=4&lat=4867&lon=9267&layers=BT

I've looked at this town plan –and at adjacent sheets– and I can see no sign of Thrushgrove House. However, the building at the north end of Villiers Street is clearly unusual, and is not aligned with the newly-laid-out streets. Could this be Thrushgrove House?

I note also that James Turner had left the area by 1838 so Daniel Knight clearly wasn't employed in Turner's house.

[MonicaL]

...Above is an article from the Glasgow Herald, 15 Aug 1855, describing the trial of a Daniel Knight, and son Michael in the vicinity of Thrushgrove House.
Looking at other articles, apparently this area was well known for these occurrences.

There was certainly a lot of rioting going on in the area!

A full report of the proceedings here (link shrunk from google books) www.rootschat.com/links/01t5a/

Monica

[MonicaL]

The Valuation Rolls for 1855 (Ref VR010700003-) show this listing at Thrushgrove:

[MonicaL]

Further background to the Radical Movement and Upheavals

A strong radical tradition existed in the area since the Radical Upheavals in the fist part of the 19th century. Radicals throughout Scotland, Ireland, England and Wales had been fired with the ideals of Revolutionary France. Thrushgrove Estate was owned by a radical businessman called James Turner, who had a tobacconist shop in High St. near the university. The grounds of Thrushgrove contained a mansion and a cottage and ran from Castle St to around Garnock St. These grounds were the scene of the biggest radical gathering ever seen in the British Isles, in October 1816.....

See www.roystonroadproject.org/archive/history/garngad_politics.htm

Monica

[AlanBoyd]

from Recollections of James Turner, Esq. of Thrushgrove by J. Smith, 1854

[referring to Thrushgrove] He lived in that house till 1838, but the public works in the neighbourhood and other reasons induced him to remove. He went first to London street, and removed from that to St Andrew's square, and again removed to East George street; and  at the time these notes were taken, in 1854, he was resident in Windsor terrace.

(This book seems to be a record of Turner's recollections as given to the author. At this date he was 86 years old.)

There is a James Turner living at 54 Windsor Terrace in the 1855 valuation.

In the 1851 census there is a James Turner, 82, Justice of the Peace for the County of Lanark living at 2 Deanside Lane. On this mapview from 1856/1860 Deanside Lane can be seen running north off George Street, just to the east of Portland Street:

https://maps.nls.uk/view/74953138#zoom=6&lat=7519&lon=5549&layers=BT

So the information about James Turner's places of residence all ties together nicely, leaving it puzzling that he is listed as a tenant at Thrushgrove in the 1855 valuation.

[ThumbelinaPM]

Thank you all again.

Yes @MonicaL - they had James, Michael, Daniel and Thomas. Michael is my line and as with all of this information, I knew nothing of a trial him and his father were involved in.  I clearly have some reading to do!

thank you all - I am so grateful for your knowledge and insight.

[ThumbelinaPM]

@MonicaL the valuation is really interesting as there is a Higgins and my Michael Knight b 1862 married Letitia Higgins but her father was Patrick Wallace Higgins.

Well, thank you again