Royal Livery Stables in Hulme, Manchester

[AlanBoyd]

3.  3 Dec 1877  Mary Hopwood & Samuel Skaife Grange  Grant of right to interfere with lights
4.  1 May 1878  Mary Hopwood & Samuel Skaife Grange  Deed endorsed on last mentioned grant

In the Greater Manchester Rate Books, Mary Hopwood is recorded as the owner from 1891–1900 of 148 Clopton Street (adjacent to the stables and on the same block between Cuba Street and Preston Street). The occupier shown as Edward Bouch, agreeing with the 1895 directory.

[AlanBoyd]

Using the Greater Manchester Rate Books I have tried to follow the history of the livery stables site. I start in 1868 with the first appearance of Hannah Sutcliffe in Clopton Street. (There are much earlier records for her in Preston Street.)

1868
139 Clopton Street, 2 records
occ William Reeve, also owner, beerhouse
occ William Reeve, owner Hannah Sutcliffe, stables and yard

1871
139 Clopton Street, a similar set of 2 records

1872
139 Clopton Street, 3 records
occ Arthur George Garnett, owner William Reeve, beerhouse
occ Taylor Garnett Evans & Co, owner William Reeve, advertising board
occ William Reeve, owner Hannah Sutcliffe, stables and yard

now the stables site transfers from Hannah Sutcliffe to Samuel Skaife Grange

1873
139 Clopton Street, 3 records
occ Arthur George Garnett, owner William Reeve, beerhouse
occ Taylor Garnett Evans & Co, owner William Reeve, advertising board
occ William Reeve, owner Saml. Grange, stables and yard

there are similar records for 1874 and 1875

now there seems to be a renumbering (139 > 148) and/or redevelopment

1877
148 Clopton Street, 3 records.
occ James Astall,  owner Wm Hopwood, house
occ S Grange,  owner S Grange, stables and yard
occ Taylor Garnett Evans & Co, owner S Grange, advertising board

1878
148 Clopton Street, 2 records.
occ James Astall,  owner Wm Hopwood, house
occ William Holland, owner S Grange, livery stables

1879
148 Clopton Street, 2 records.
occ James Astall,  owner Wm Hopwood, house
occ Walter Johnson Holland, owner S S Grange, mews
[In the 1881 census Walter J Holland is a vet, age 26, lodging nearby at 7 Wilberforce Terrace]

1883
148 Clopton Street, 2 records.
occ James Astall,  owner Wm Hopwood, house
occ Walter Johnson Holland [crossed out] Thomas Green, owner S S Grange, mews

1884
148 Clopton Street, 2 records.
occ James Astall,  owner Wm Hopwood Ex., house
occ Thomas Green, owner S S Grange, mews

death of S S Grange, appearance of R W Johnstone

1889
148 Clopton Street, 2 records.
occ James Astall,  owner Mrs Hopwood, house
occ Reginald Wood Johnstone, owner S S Grange Exctrs, mews

1890 same except Edward Bouch has appeared as occupier of the Hopwood property
1891 same
1892 same (owner now named as Mary Hopwood)

1893
change of numbering: Hopwood property is still 148, Grange property is now 150
E H Stent has appeared as co-occupier with RW Johnstone at 150

…which takes us up to the 1895 directory, and I can stop thinking about this.

[MollyC]

A well-spent two and a half hours Alan!

[AlanBoyd]

A well-spent two and a half hours Alan!

And I almost didn’t post it! But I needed closure.

[iowagirl]

Thank you both, Alan and Molly!  I had not run across Samuel Skaife Grange owning the stable. I appreciate your help so much!
Any SS Grange after 1885 would be the son of Samuel Skaife Grange. 
Is there any way to tell when the Grand Junction transferred from Grange family to someone else? As of 1911, Ed Grange  (son of Samuel Skaife Grange and bro to SS Grange) was running it.  He died around 1915 or so and his wife, Annie Skaife Grange, continued to live at The Hollies, but I don't know about the Pub. 
Elaine

[iowagirl]

P. S. Alan, I appreciate your 2 and a half hours you will never get back!!!

[AlanBoyd]

Any SS Grange after 1885 would be the son of Samuel Skaife Grange.

Except that the references are to executors of SSG senior I think?, so it seems that it took a long time for his affairs to be sorted.

When did the two SSG’s die?

[iowagirl]

Samuel Skaife Grange/aka Skaife, died in 1885.  His estate was probated then with his wife, Jane, one of the executors.  Then, there was another probate in 1917- Probate London 26 March to Samuel Skaife Grange farmer.  Effects £75.  Skaife's son, Samuel Skaife Grange/ aka SS Grange, died in Iowa, USA in 1946. 

I have a copy of his "long winded" will. I just found his will.  His wife and Smith Wm Skaife were executors and trustees.  Then he had 3 codicils, and end result his sons, Ed and SSG were appointed and SW Skaife and his brother, John, were excluded.  But no explanation for 2nd probate.  I think when SSG came over in 1911, he and his brother were closing out assets left to them from Skaife.  SSG was back in Manchester in Dec 1914 and stayed about 10 days.  Then he and his youngest son, Paul, were back in 1934, which was right after brother Ed's wife, Annie, died in 1931; Ed died in 1915.  I wonder if their ages had them closing these assets or if Ed knew he was ill.
The fact that John Roberts was involved in the livery stable made me wonder if that was then the Pub, but evidently not.  John Roberts also had his fingers in the Pub.  Possibly he owned several pieces of property in that area. 

[AlanBoyd]

The Grand Junction Inn  after 1885

From the Rate Book records:
141 Warde Street (the Grand Junction Inn)
from 1885-1900 the owner is 'executors of S S Grange'
1885-1892 occupier is Jane Grange
1893-1900 occupier is Edwin Grange

unfortunately the records are very sparse after that
in 1916 the owner is Hyde Queen's Brewery, no named occupier
in 1926, same owner, occupier is Charles Pringle

from census records
1901 Edwin Grange is head and licensee, but Walter and Florence Mayer are managing the pub.
1911 Walter and Florence Mayer are residents and managers; SS Grange and his wife Emily are visitors. Edwin Grange is at The Hollies and is a licensed victualler.
1921 Charles Pringle is the resident and licensed victualler, employer is Hyde Queen's Brewery, (see 1926 Rates record)

So, at the moment, all I can say is that the pub was sold sometime between 1911 and 1921. If Edwin Grange's wife Annie took over in 1915 the pub had been sold by 1921. I can't see any newspaper item transferring the license, I don't know if these were still published in newspapers by this date. My guess would be that the pub was sold to the brewery soon after his death.