Year of Birth but no record.

[Sinann]

Like many a register entry on Scotlands People too 

So no comparison possible then. Just curious, Sinann, how can you tell that this is a copy register entry? Scottish certs will include for example '(signed)' where the signatures are on the copy entry confirming that it is not the original signature (apart from the fact that all the writing is same being the clerk's writing).

A Leo O'Brien was also a witness at another O'Brien son, Anthony, who also married in 1936 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08925/5228247.pdf

Monica

It’s written at the bottom of each page, signed by the person making the copy and by the person who checked it.

[aghadowey]

Have a look at this marriage and see what you all think- a Leo O'Brien, son of Thomas, living in Coolnakilly, Co. Wicklow- witnesses Michael O'Brien and Mary Ann Doyle*
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1943/08779/5173590.pdf

* Leo's sister Mary Ann m.1942 to Doyle (Monica posted link to that marriage few minutes ago)

[heywood]

See replies #11 and 13 re the marriage and Emily Gertrude.

[aghadowey]

I think the 1943 marriage is for the correct Leo. Residence and father's name correct, witnesses his brother and sister.
At the moment I am searching (again) for Leo's birth and have almost got it (I think).

[heywood]

I hope you do have his birth, aghadowey.

Emily Gertrude Hatton was b 1916.

Looking at the O’Brien children, there are gaps between where another child might have been born.

1909 - Anthony
1912 - James
1917 - Marianne
1919 - Peter

Daughter, Elizabeth was born 1896, so was of an age to have a child around 1915 and later

[aghadowey]

Okay this may take a bit of explaining...

Thomas O'Brien/Brien and Bridget had the following children in 1901- William, Elizabeth, Michael, John.
In 1911 they had 8 children (Bridget mother of 8 children, all living)- which adds Katherine, Thomas, Patrick, Anthony. Three more children born after census- James, Mary Ann, Peter.

William married 1920, Michael witness at Leo's wedding, John married 1922?, Patrick married 1936, Anthony married 1936, James married 1937.
None of them can be Leo which leaves Thomas and Peter.
Now, Thomas's birth registered as Thomas Joseph so I think 'Leo' could be Peter using a middle name not on registration and he dropped name Peter.

Here's Peter birth (1919)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01241/1516112.pdf
If this is Leo then he would have been about 3 years younger than Emily but still a possibility.

The only way to solve this mystery might be church register showing baptism of a Leo or boy with middle name of Leo but too recent to be online.

[heywood]

That sounds plausible. The baptism record would  be useful, especially now there is a date to search around.

[scarlett0017]

Thank you all so much, i will be looking into all of those links.
Okay i'll jot down the O Brien/Brien branch from my family tree, i'll just go from Thomas & Bridget.

Thomas O Brien/Brien =
Birth: April 6 1873 Dunganstown, Wicklow.
Marriage: 12 AUG 1894 Ashford, Wicklow, Ireland.
Death: February 2 1957 Glenealy, Wicklow.

Bridget Mary Redmond =
Birth ABT 1873 Kilnamanagh Beg, Wicklow.
Marriage: 12 AUG 1894 Ashford, Wicklow, Ireland.
Death 26/08/1946 Coolnakilly, Wicklow, Ireland.

Childern =
William P O Brien: 1894-1954
Elizabeth Mary Lil O Brien: 1896-1946
Michael O Brien: 1897-1954
John Jack Brien: 1900-1989 (he was in the Irish Army during the 1920s war)
Catherine Kite Kathleen O'Brien: 1902– ? i don't have her date of death.
Thomas J Tommy O Brien: 1904– ? again no date of death.
Patrick Joseph(Paddy) Brien: 1906–1984
Anthony O'Brien: 1909 – ? no date of death.
James O'Brien: 1912 – ? no date of death.
Maryanne Molly O'Brien: 1917–2007
Peter O'Brien: 1919 – ? no date of death.
Leo O'Brien: 1923 – ? no date of death, or birth certificate.

I have the following birth certificates=
Anthony O Brien
Catherine Brien
Elizabeth Mary Brien
James O Brien
John Jack Brien
Michael Brien
Patrick Joseph Brien
Thomas Joseph Brien
William Brien

I have a death certificate for Thomas Brien, 27/12/1925 his age is 89 years and he is listed as being a widower and a carpenter. Thomas Brien his son is listed as being present at his death, his address is 44 Coolinakilly Square.

I have Thomas and Bridgets Marriage certificate for 12 August 1894, both full age, fathers names Andrew Brien and John Redmond.

Now i'm confused, i have 11 kids on my family tree and 12 here
Even though i got this info from my tree, how come i have 12 here, but only 11 are showing up on the family tree chart on screen. Yet if i click into one of the parents profiles, i do get the 12.
Unless one of the sons is listed twice, using different names, but i don't see Leo as a second name on any of the certificates that i have.

Sorry for the long post.

[scarlett0017]

I have a death certificate for Thomas Brien, 27/12/1925 his age is 89 years and he is listed as being a widower and a carpenter. Thomas Brien his son is listed as being present at his death, his address is 44 Coolinakilly Square.

Looking at this further, I don't know if this in one of my O Briens/Briens, i don't think its Bridgets Thomas because he died later.
I think my O Briens/Briens were farmers, not carpenters. I might scrap that cert then.