Thank you all for the replies,
In answer to the above questions. I don't know the given age of her when she died.
Minnie/ Mary died just, 34 years ago, on the 16 April 1990 in Waverley Hospital , no age given ( death date is source from the newspaper obituaries) . Wife of the late John of Tullymore. She was buried in the cemetery Broughshane (service to New Cemetery Broughshane)
Their son William was the first birth cert I could get for all their children's exact birth date and gave Mary's maiden name. I am waiting until until the second born child birth in 1925 is uncovered ,next year hopefully ( abt birth year is through his age in his marriage cert, and don't know for 100 % sure if this one is deceased).
I think that there is a very great possibility John may have been in Scotland in the year of 1920, this is where it gets complicated, so didn't mention this below in my initial post, as I can't 100% prove it:
I personally think John hopped over to Scotland for a time to work when he was a young man and would have been in Scotland in 1920, but can't 100% prove it as there is lack of a paper trail for these years.
The reason for my belief that he may have been in Scotland in the year of 1920 , I and my cousins have a DNA match in Scotland who matches to both me and my 1st cousin, and my second cousin ( who's
grandmother is John's and my gran's oldest sister) at a second cousin level to all 3 of us ( this is on myheritage), Who is 100% definitely on our grandmother's side ( matches to all our lines on that side, ie both John's maternal and paternal parents , and all our known 1 second , and loads third and fourth cousins and so on who are on myheritage from John's and his siblings lines, this particular match isn't on Ancestry ( where the other second cousins are)
No disputing our match has to come from one of my grans and her sisters male siblings if this match is a second cousin .
They only had two brother's (John the oldest sibling) and the very youngest sibling ,who was far too young to father an illegitimate child , he was only a baby in 1920, he was only born in 1919 ) . It only leaves John being the father if indeed this match is a second cousin to us and her father is John's illegitimate child ( which I think John is the father of her dad)
My match told me that her dad was illegitimate, and there is no father on his birth cert. Her father never knew who his father was,. He was raised by his mother, and his mother never told him who his father was.. My match's father was born in the beginning of 1921 (March) in exactly the same area in Scotland as John's uncle had emigrated to ( in Shotts , Lanarkshire) , and was living at the time of my match's father's birth . John's uncle was working in the mines there (John's maternal uncle, his mother's brother)., and doubt very much John's Uncle could possibly be the father, because my cousin's from that side ( the uncle's direct descendants ) do not test very high against the match they're only.50, 60, 70 odd and so on against the match , so John's uncle is definitely not the father. Where I am over 200cm and my first cousin, and second cousin are high 100s to this match ( just under 200),- pointing to my match being a second cousin to us ( the match shares with both John's maternal and paternal matches too)
My theory is John may have went to visit his uncle in Scotland for a short time when he was young man at 20 looking for work, whether it was for work in the mines with his uncle ( his uncle was a miner in Scotland ), or whether it was just for a friendly visit to his uncle, I don't know., got a local Scottish lass pregnant, abandoned her , and came running back home to Ireland.
He is not anywhere in the 1921 Scottish census that I can find, and 100% not with his uncle in 1921( I have his uncle in the census) , so my guess he came back to Ireland around the year of 1921 . I am guessing he was over there during 1920 visiting his uncle ( 1920 is when my match's father was conceived ).
I can't prove it on any paper records that John went to Scotland during this short period of time , but DNA and circumstances is pointing to it. So due to John's uncle who was living in Scotland, and John may have had an illegitimate child in Scotland who was born around the same area as his uncle was living , I have searched Scotspeople for a marriage many times between John and Mary/ Minnie over the past just in case for some reason John and Mary married there, but there seems to be no marriage there between them at all either that I can find.
Perhaps he and Minnie never legally married, as I can't find a record of their marriage .
Kind regards
