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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #45 on: Friday 24 May 24 07:41 BST (UK) »
From Freecen:

Baptisms - St John the Baptist, Egham

6 Feb 1814 - Elizabeth Smith

22 Jun 1823 - Jane Smith

Parents John & Ann Smith - Labourer

Abode - Egham

Wow! You guys are amazing, thank you so much 🙏
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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #46 on: Friday 24 May 24 10:18 BST (UK) »
Hi again
I do think it could be worth getting that birth record of Louisa Annie in Dec 1860, in Pancras.
Especially since you can now get an instant digital image to download for just £2.50 from the GRO. No waiting at all to see if she was indeed born on 7 November in the St Pancras workhouse.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

jonw, I have ordered, Emma Jane, Louise Annie and Fanny Elise's birth record.
I will let you know when I receive them.
Isabel

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #47 on: Friday 24 May 24 11:06 BST (UK) »
Well done Jon you have been busy excellent detective work  :)

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #48 on: Friday 24 May 24 12:23 BST (UK) »
Hi again
I do think it could be worth getting that birth record of Louisa Annie in Dec 1860, in Pancras.
Especially since you can now get an instant digital image to download for just £2.50 from the GRO. No waiting at all to see if she was indeed born on 7 November in the St Pancras workhouse.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

jonw, I have ordered, Emma Jane, Louise Annie and Fanny Elise's birth record.
I will let you know when I receive them.
Isabel

Hi Joh,
Lousia Annie b: 7 Nov 1860, Pancras Workhouse, Father: Edward Edwards, Mother: Jane Edwards formerly Smythe, Domestic Servant, informant: J Edwards, Mother, Pancras Workhouse, registered 14 Nov 1860.

Emma Jane b: 4 Dec 1852, 29 Riding House Lane. Father: George Edwards, Mother: Jane Edwards formerly Smythe, servant, informant: J Edwards, Mother, 29 Riding House Lane. registered 11 Jan 1853

Fanny Elize b: 4 Jun 1863, 19 Grafton Street, father: Aaron Edwards, mother: Susanna Edwards formerly Smith. Father's profession Brick Layer/Journey man, informant: S Edwards, mother, 19 Grafton Street, Kentish Town. registered, 6 Jul 1863.

Please let me know your thoughts.
If you have any other names and dates, I am happy to get the cert.
Isabel
 


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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #49 on: Friday 24 May 24 20:27 BST (UK) »
Emma and Jane admitted St Pancras workhouse October 15 1860
Emma transferred to Anersley School November 19

Jane discharged from St Pancras Workhouse March 18 1861 - note child born 7 November
Emma transferred back to workhouse 25 Jan 1861 and discharged March 18 with mother


 

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #50 on: Friday 24 May 24 22:17 BST (UK) »
Hi
The most interesting thing is that the father on Emma's birth certificate is called George! Which is the name that Elizabeth gave for her father when she married.
So it does somewhat call into question the info Jane gave when she was in the workhouse in 1860/1. Then she said she had been married to Edward Edwards. Unless perhaps he was George Edward Edwards!

What to make of it? How much of the truth was she telling? The facts that she gave about herself seem to be accurate, other than being a Smythe (or Smithe even) rather than plan old Smith.

No birth has been found for Elizabeth, so there seems to be a bit of an impasse. Yes, Fanny Elize was my mistake (sorry!), it was just a coincdence (as Mabel said)

You could perhaps look for a death for Jane, possibly before 1881, possibly in St Pancras. And Elizabeth (and Louisa) should be around somewhere in the 1881 census. As we can't really be sure of her age, and she may be a servant, possibly just born London, you may not be able to pin Eizabeth down with certainty.
There is an Elizabeth F Edward, 18, born St Pancras, a servant in St Giles. Could that be some kind of name reversal of the Fanny E from 1871? :-\ Did Elizabeth give herself the Alice name later? Hard to know.
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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #51 on: Saturday 25 May 24 00:17 BST (UK) »
Emma Jane b: 4 Dec 1852, 29 Riding House Lane. Father: George Edwards...

Ooh, look who's associated with that address in 1850 and 1851.

Westminster Rate Books 1634-1900

Year 1850 and 1851
Occupier's first name(s)  Edward
Occupier's last name  Edwards
Address Riding House Lane
Parish St Marylebone

Not seeing them at the address in the 1851 census, though.

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #52 on: Saturday 25 May 24 00:28 BST (UK) »
Oh my goodness! You people are amazing!! How you find this information I will never know... thank you sooo much 🙏
The George Edwards that is named on Emma's birth record could well be Edward Edwards 🤔
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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #53 on: Saturday 25 May 24 00:35 BST (UK) »
I've not been following this thread too closely....but has the marriage record for the couple been located? Didn't it take place in Germany (according to the workhouse records)?

So, if Edward/George Edwards left the family circa 1860 then who is the father of Elizabeth? Perhaps we'll never know.