Robert OLIVER date and place of birth query, Liverpool 1879?

[Tgapitbull]

Can someone help to confirm date and place of birth of Robert OLIVER? Only seeking to verify date and place of birth below.

I am helping someone with their research.  They and I have run into a brick wall!
We would like to identify parents and any siblings.

Following is the link to the NZ WW1 military file for a Robert OLIVER 8/1816.

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE10079691

This record states his date of birth as 3 June 1879, Liverpool.
Nominated NOK as Honora (Nora) Bridget Rodgers [nee McCarthy] - "sister"
Legal NOK - no known relatives
Last employer: Public Works, Clyde, NZ
Single.  Occupation: Labourer
Last NZ address: 72A Dowling Street, Dunedin, NZ
KIA 7 August 1915, Dardanelles

Research undertaken:
Honora Rodgers nee McCarthy does not appear to be his "sister" through either of his parents.
Checked the list of NZ Public Works staff for 1913 and 1914 - negative result
Last NZ address - Robert Oliver may have been boarding at this address?
Electoral rolls - there are a number of "Robert Oliver's" and excluded these due to other family members/place
Found a school record for a Robert Oliver DOB 3 June 1875, parent/guardian Jas Oliver.  Ruled him out as parents James Oliver/Mary McNair
Honora's parents; Henry McCarthy/Margaret McMullen [dau of Alexander McMullen/Mary McGill, County Antrim, Ireland]
Margaret's siblings if correct are; Bridget McMullen marr George Magorian in 1897 [Bridget was a Witness at the marriage of Henry/Margaret in NZ in 1885]; Mary McMullen marr Henry William Nesbitt in 1876
Checked Free UKBMD - no 1879 birth in Liverpool, although in June Q there is one in Manchester.
Checked FreeCenus - couldn't find anything that could be a possibility
Checked Rootsweb passenger lists - arrivals in Otago - negative result
Checked Paperspast
FB message sent to Dunedin RSA to ask if his name appears on any Dunedin/Clyde memorials - no reply yet.  His name appears on the Turkey memorial.
WW1 medals passed down through Honora's family to a family member who has asked "who is Robert Oliver".

Any assistance appreciated.
LEST WE FORGET!

TPB

[ColC]

I wonder if this is the family?


Marriages Dec 1873 Manchester
Robert William Oliver to  Eliza Jane Dineley

No Oliver marriages to a Doneley around that time in Lancashire.

OLIVER, ELIZA  JANE  Died age 37
GRO Reference: 1890  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 258

Children all registered MANCHESTER, mother DINELEY (Except Robert)
OLIVER, GERTRUDE    1875 Died same year.

OLIVER, CECIL    1876

OLIVER, ROBERT  mother   DONELEY
  GRO Reference: 1879  J Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 277

OLIVER, HAROLD   1885 

OLIVER, ETHEL    1887

OLIVER, ALFRED    1890

In 1881 He is with the Pemberton family at 95, Lr Broughton Road, Salford
Robert Oliver 2 1879 Visitor born Manchester, Lancashire

1881 79, Stocks Street Prestwich
Elizabeth Dineley Head Widow 69 1812 Manchester, Lancashire
Cecil Oliver Grand son 4 1877 Manchester, Lancashire

In 1891 Robert William Oliver 37, a Joiner and Widower born Manchester,
is with his brother in law Benj Fidles & family at Nicolson Street, Manchester.

Three of Roberts children are with him.
Robert 12, Edith 9, Alfred 5, all born Manchester. 

I do not see Robert junior on 1901 UK census.

Colin

[CaroleW]

Is this a possibility for his date of arrival.  Aged 26 - arrived 1906?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KL1W-MJJ

The Robert Oliver b Manchester was baptised 9.4.1879 parents Robert William & Eliza Jane so does not fit a June birth

[Dundee]

NZ registered their WW1 deaths in 1918 so probably this one:

1918/42705
Oliver,  Robert
36Y

I haven't seen one but maybe someone on the NZ board could tell you if it worth having a look at and whether they included the usual personal information or if it is just an acknowledgement of death.

Debra 

[tazzie]

The Robert Oliver in Manchester marries in Bolton in 1910 . Father listed as Robert William a joiner.

 So rules them out.

Tazzie

[Dundee]

In 1911 Honora's mother's will only mentions her three daughters and deceased son Harry.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99KZ-QCWZ

Debra 

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
I've checked the 5 Robert Olivers registered June qtr 1878,1879 ,1880 in E &W and none seem to fit.

Robert Rogers Oliver born Sunderland June qtr 1878 born 4.3.1878  s of John and Mary (on 1939)
Robert Monmouth June 1879 s of Robert and Elizabeth dies Monmouth 1931
Robert Castle Ward Northumbria June 1879 s of Thomas and Jane of Newburn bap1.6.1879
Then there is the Manchester one you have
Robert Oliver South shields June 1880 s of John and Ellen died 1938 South Shields.

The Newburn one had lost both his parents by 1882 and could be your man but if he was baptised on the first his date of birth doesn't fit. I can trace him until 1891 living with his uncle but not after that.

Ciderdrinker

[wivenhoe]

There seems to be no partner/children/parents/siblings to see so far.

What is your interest in Robert OLIVER?. 

There might be another source of information about him.

[haliared]

There is a tree on My Heritage, the site manager of which is a direct descendant of Honora (Nora) Bridget McCarthy Rodgers, so it would be worth contacting them.