PARRY Families 1700s - Rhiwlas, Llansilin, Llangollen

[Gadget]

I'm now a little confused about your time line as it relates to the Will of Simon, proved 10th June 1762.
Are you suggesting that Richard (nephew and the main inheritor in the will)  is the son of one of Simon's brothers?

If so, Richard, nephew was b 1769 so he was not alive in 1761/62 when the will was dated.

The will also mentions Edward, son of the said Richard. He must have also been alive in 1761/1762

Could you clarify the generations please?

Gadget

[Gadget]

You link this info to John Parry d..c. 1729 who  has 3 brothers mentioned in his will: Edward  Philip,Simon

Dates of
John (d circa 1729/1730)  Edward  Phillip  Simon

Do you have any witnesses to marriages,  parents of baptisms of this family? Also deaths, etc  of John's 3 brothers.

I prefer to work backwards and it seems that you are making the odd leap 

Gadget

[Lins_Australia]

Gadget
The will of Simon Parry - signed 7 April 1761 at Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog - names his nephew  - Richard Parry - as being of Blaen y Rhiwlas.  The property named Tyn y Fron.
I believe that Richard Parry (Simon's nephew) - (of Rhiwlas) - was buried at Llangadwaladr - 18 Oct 1764.  Edward Parry who married Anne Roberts in 1761 -and some of his children - of Llansilin Parish - are buried at Llangawaladr - where his father Richard I surmise - was first buried in 1764.
Simon Parry was buried at Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog 28 May 1762. 
That will of Simon - also mentions that Richard Parry (his nephew) - has a son - Edward Parry.
"I give and bequeath to Edward Parry son of the above named Richard Parry the sum of five pounds ....."
I would like to take that Edward Parry - to be the father of my 4x gg - Richard Parry born 1769.
Edward Parry married Jane Roberts 19 May 1761 at Llansilin.
Simon Parry is not so common a name - and in trying to link him to a wider Parry family - I came up with that will of a John Parry 1729 wherein he gives a brother - Simon.  I have not been able yet to come up with more to make that connection.

The Simon Parry will of 1761 - also mentions - arrangements for his funeral - in case he should die at "Llwyth - tere" - which I suspect to be Llwythder-isaf / uchaf - Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog parish.

You have given me a lot to work on.  Not easy in the pre 1754 era - and an area having to deal with patronymic names.  Thank you so much for being so generous with your help here.

As an aside:
I have not mentioned - that I have researched a family from Corwen / Carrog / Mwstwr - Merionethshire.  Corwen records (Llangar) not easy to work with.
It is an example of the creation of a Parry dynasty.  Henry ap Robert married Margaret verch Edmund.  His will of 1706 names his children.  His wife's will of 1728 brings an update to the 1706 information.  His daughter Elizabeth spinster in her will of 1758 again brings info up to date. Nine children who become Parry.  Most have marriage bonds and wills - wealthy yeoman.  A son Edward Parry owned property at Llantysilio - Pen y Bryn.  And a son - Simon Parry.  And a granddaughter - Catherine Oliver - who marries a John Parry of Llangollen Fawr - this John Parry who dies intestate as John Parry Jnr - a carpenter -in 1729 - not the same John Parry of 1729 / 1730 as discussed earlier.
So you see - a whole Parry clan from Corwen - with tantalising links into Llangollen - and I tried to use that Simon Parry as a way to connect him and his nephew Richard Parry - to my Edward Parry person.  But NONE of the Merionethshire Parry wills ever mentions a nephew / son - Richard !
Only that one will of a Simon Parry of 1761.

Lindsay

[Gadget]

I read Simon's will and all you said in your first post and found your dates don'tseem to fit. Have you investigated the Hughes?

Could you possibly draw up a tree that you think is accurate.  Giving the location(s) of those that you know are your ancestors.

Gadget

[Gadget]

I have ancestors from many of the places that you mention. What sources have you used?  FindMyPast is pretty  good for online parish records for the Welsh counties and the Clwyd FHS is very good. Also, remember the adjacent Shropshire parishes and into Montgomeryshire.

Patronymics is not too bad and can often give a direct line. Some of the parishes around Llyn Tegid/Bala Lake flip flopped between patronymics and surname entries depending on the vicar!  I have one brother who was a Roberts and one who was an Ellis. I finally discovered this when the Ellis was mentioned on a document as brother of the Roberts*!


Gadget

*which led me to their father - Robert Ellis

[Gadget]

Another source that you might like to go through is Welsh Newspapers online.

https://newspapers.library.wales/

You might be able to find reports of BMDs and other events for the later Parrys.


Gadget

[Pennant]

If you scroll down to the bottom of the link that I gave to the Notitiae, you'll find a link listing (in blue) of the individual places in Alpha order.

E.G Llansilin is here:

https://viewer.library.wales/4776531#?c=&m=&s=0&cv=221&xywh=-1895%2C-136%2C5738%2C2718

Note that it says

There were no returns from the following parishes: Abergele, Carno, Eglwys Fach, Llanarmon, Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog, Llanarmon Mynydd Mawr, Llanbrynmair, Llandysilio, Llanefydd, Llanrwst, Llanycil, Merchwiel, Nannerch, Penegoes, Pennant, Pentre Voelas, St Asaph, Sychtyn, Wrexham.

I think Llanarmon Mynydd Mawr is included in Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant. I can't quite make out all of what it says at the top of the Llanrhaeadr record, but Llanarmon MM is definitely there. The records are arranged by hundreds, and if you scroll down to page 218, you will find Llanarmon. Similarly Sychtyn is on page 222.

Thanks for the records - it's a brilliant resource. A lot of my dad's family come from some of these parishes.