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Offline sparrett

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Re: Can you finish the strange story of Edwin Bailey?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 December 24 05:55 GMT (UK) »
This looks like the right man in 1921.

There is an Ancestry link to NSW Police Gazette mention of Edwin Alfred BAILEY upon whom the offence of forging and uttering was committed along with a group of others.1921 at Moree quarter sessions.

His name appears in a column headed Upon Whom Committed

I think a Trove link to the same item will be available when Trove is back online.

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Re: Can you finish the strange story of Edwin Bailey?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 December 24 07:57 GMT (UK) »
Thanks again for all the sleuthing; what prompted his leaving England and his gradual slide down the social ladder may never be known, but it seems a wasted life.

Interesting as this is, my real aim is to show the increasingly unlikely possibility that he was a haemophilic (it would require him to be the illegitimate son of John Hutson, thus making Louisa a carrier; and the a 50% chance that he then inherited it from her). His lifestyle would suggest that he wouldn't have lived to 55+ with it, but a death certificate (or v rarely a hospital record) is the most likely source.

It's possible that his parents would be 'unknown' on a certificate, but I doubt it would have completely the wrong names.

It's also possible that he married again. An Edwin A Bailey married Eliza J Purser (b 1877) in 1914 in Gosford and had at least two children (Roy E, 1914 and Zella M, 1918) but, unless he left her and moved north, he isn't the same man as she died in Gosford in 1956.

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Re: Can you finish the strange story of Edwin Bailey?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 December 24 14:52 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if this helps but here goes:
1919 Electoral roll Fitzroy, Vic   Edwin Bailey Kitchenman.
1936 Electoral roll Queenscliffe Vic  ditto
 Public record office Vic, Wills and probate date of grant: 07 January 1937
 Given name : Edwin; Family name : Bailey; Residence : Queenscliff; Occupation : Ex Hotel Employe; Nature of grant : P     
date of death: 03 January 1936 (Can't locate this yet)
From his Service record he was a Clerk.. but after discharge may have found employment elsewhere?

A good spot and I don't think it's a problem that he is a kitchen man, but it's probably more of a problem that he moved from the bottom of Victoria in 1919 to the top of NSW in 1921 and then back again, isn't it?

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Re: Can you finish the strange story of Edwin Bailey?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 09 December 24 11:17 GMT (UK) »
It's also possible that he married again. An Edwin A Bailey married Eliza J Purser (b 1877) in 1914 in Gosford and had at least two children (Roy E, 1914 and Zella M, 1918) but, unless he left her and moved north, he isn't the same man as she died in Gosford in 1956.

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According to several online trees this Edwin is an Edwin Albert Bailey, so not the same man
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Re: Can you finish the strange story of Edwin Bailey?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 09 December 24 16:49 GMT (UK) »
I have now found out that Edwin's father's cousin had moved to Australia several years earlier, so it's just possible that he sought out some of his second cousins who were living in the West Sydney area when he arrived (Fivedock, Ashfield, Croydon). I have made contact with a descendant who may know more.
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Re: Can you finish the strange story of Edwin Bailey?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 10 December 24 01:37 GMT (UK) »
Ahh!. Sadly there has been a misprint in the Gazette clip I have framed above :(

The man was not Edwin Alfred BAILEY as printed therein, but Edwin Alfred BRILEY. a resident of Tamworth and a tailor. There are numerous mentions of this upstanding chap in Trove.

Tailors of Tamworth were defrauded in the forging and uttering case which was tried at Moree. 
His name is clearly BRILEY 

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111850229

A dead end after all  :(

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Re: Can you finish the strange story of Edwin Bailey?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 10 December 24 08:03 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for clarifying that. It does at least mean that the Victoria Edwin is back in the list of possibles.

The distant cousin mentioned above can't add anything.

Richard
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