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Re: Finding a birth certificate for Francis John Brady
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 15 December 24 11:33 GMT (UK) »
 :(
Ellen Green born  Great Harwood with her parents William Thomas Green & Margaret plus siblings in 1911 she is single so probably not connected to the person you are looking for  :(
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Re: Finding a birth certificate for Francis John Brady
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 15 December 24 17:25 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone for your posts.
The following information is on the 1911 census but I cannot locate the birth certificate.
Name   Francis J Brady, Sex   Male  Age   8
Birth Year (Estimated) 1903 Birthplace   Co Mayo Marital Status   Single
Occupation   Scholar Religion   Roman Catholic
Relationship to Head of Household   SonRelationship Code   Son
Event Type   Census Event Date   1911
Event Place   Turlough, County Mayo, Ireland
Event Place (Original)   Turlough (Turlough, Mayo), Ireland
Event Place Note   1911-1911
Household Identifier   13
Note   -

Has been pointed out several times now that this is not your man.

OP - You haven't answered my question as to what evidence there is that YOUR Francis Brady was born Co. Mayo?

As far as I can tell, the answer is that there isn't any. Instead there was a misidentification of the boy in Co. Mayo in 1911 as your fellow.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Finding a birth certificate for Francis John Brady
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 15 December 24 18:20 GMT (UK) »
I should add that it is possible, probable even, that the John part of Francis John is a confirmation name. In which case it won't appear on a birth or baptismal record.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Finding a birth certificate for Francis John Brady
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 15 December 24 19:06 GMT (UK) »
As well as the details on his marriage certificate, are you able to provide names for any siblings?  Ie, did your mother have any paternal uncles & aunts?


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Re: Finding a birth certificate for Francis John Brady
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 15 December 24 20:41 GMT (UK) »
In 1911 there are 3 Brady boys born St Helen’s in the Fulwood workhouse at Preston
Charles age 8, Francis age 6, (bit young?)  John age 13

Which I think could fit with this 1901 family in St Helen’s

William 35. Born Ireland
Ellen 35. Born Widnes, Lanc
Kate 18 born St Helen’s as are all the following
William 16
Hugh 14
Ellen 10
Thomas 7
John 4
Charles 5/12

In 1911 is a couple

William 47 b county Sligo
Ellen 46 born county Sligo  :(.  Married 20 yrs 3 live births, 2 deaths.
Thomas 17 born St Helen’s

On the face of it they would make a neat match, but if there are 3 sons at Fulwood, then the children answers make no sense.

That Thomas I believe has a MMN MULLIGAN  and there is a Charles reg March Qtr 1901 also MMN MULLIGAN but I am promising NOTHING!

Especially since i cannot see a Francis birth with MMN Mulligan


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Re: Finding a birth certificate for Francis John Brady
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 15 December 24 21:04 GMT (UK) »
That Charles & Francis both appear on the National Schools admission register. At St Vincent’s, Preston Both leaving 17 June 1911. I think John leaves the previous month.
No parents/guardians, no notes in the withdrawal column. (Others say things like to employment, change of residence, or dead)

Other entries have exact dates of birth, but not theirs. Charles has 1902, Francis 1904, John 1899.

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Re: Finding a birth certificate for Francis John Brady
« Reply #24 on: Monday 16 December 24 02:22 GMT (UK) »
In 1911 there are 3 Brady boys born St Helen’s in the Fulwood workhouse at Preston
Charles age 8, Francis age 6, (bit young?)  John age 13

Which I think could fit with this 1901 family in St Helen’s

William 35. Born Ireland
Ellen 35. Born Widnes, Lanc
Kate 18 born St Helen’s as are all the following
William 16
Hugh 14
Ellen 10
Thomas 7
John 4
Charles 5/12

Were they a blended family?

BYERS, CATHERINE
Mother's maiden surname: MULLIGAN     
GRO Reference: 1883  S Quarter in PRESCOT  Volume 08B  Page 726

BYERS, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden surname: MULLIGAN    
GRO Reference: 1885  J Quarter in PRESCOT  Volume 08B  Page 742

BYERS, HUGH
Mother's maiden surname: MULLIGAN     
GRO Reference: 1887  S Quarter in PRESCOT  Volume 08B  Page 652

The BRADY/MULLIGAN births start in 1889 with Ellen.

Debra  :D

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Re: Finding a birth certificate for Francis John Brady
« Reply #25 on: Monday 16 December 24 03:41 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I wondered that,

Marriages Dec 1882   (>99%)
Byers    William        Prescot    8b   1113    
Mulligan    Ellen        Prescot    8b   1113    

And I’ve been trying to identify this birth

Births Mar 1903   (>99%)
Byers    Francis        Prescot    8b   789. (MMN is MONAGHAN)

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Re: Finding a birth certificate for Francis John Brady
« Reply #26 on: Monday 16 December 24 08:10 GMT (UK) »
I am inclining to the opinion that William Byers and William Brady are the same man.
(And if so, that Francis Byers is Francis Brady)

Can anyone see either William in the 1891 census?