Farm Owned by Murphys in Armagh

[Murphy616]

Hello everyone,

First post here! I'm reaching out to this wonderful community in hopes of uncovering some family history. I'm trying to find out more about a farm that was supposedly owned by my great grandad, Francis Murphy, in Armagh, Ireland.

Unfortunately, my grandma, who had most of the knowledge about our family history, has passed away. However, I recently spoke with my auntie who still remembers a few details. From what I gather, my great grandad, Francis, and his wife, Mary Ann, had a farm that was supposedly located near an abbatoir. Not ideal but thats literally all i know!

When I do some research, I only seem to find one farm listed in Armagh, which makes me think it might not be the right one. If anyone has any information or leads about farms in the area that might have been owned by the Murphys, I would greatly appreciate your help. I know this is a long shot, but any insight would mean the world to me!

Thanks

[shanreagh]

I'm not sure where (website) you have been looking for the property or what time frame or where you believe the property may have been..

The go to place to search for property in the mid 1800s (1850 on) is Griffiths Valuation

https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

Doing a search I can see 18 entries for a Francis Murphy c1860.  I have not looked wider than that ie at names such as Frank etc.  The maps for such properties are detailed and I am sure that if a Murphy related to you had property near an abbatoir the property and the abbatoir would be shown.

With more detail such as names and dates we can look further eg doB/death of Francis and Mary Ann and Mary Ann's maiden surname.

And a big welcome to Rootschat! 

[Murphy616]

Thanks very much for your reply!

It all gets a bit confusing because it sounds as though my great grandad possibly purchased the farm after some time in America. The family then left for Scotland where my grandad was born. But he later returned to the farm as a teenager. So they must have still owned it, or possibly part owned.

For time periods and useful information, my great grandad Francis was born around 1874. His father was Patrick Murphy.

Francis married my great grandmother Mary Ann Smyth.

[Jon_ni]

Murphy is the most common surname in Ireland and Francis doesn't help that much (try a search on http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ for Francis & Frank Murphy 1901 or 1911 specifying Co Armagh). Tick Show all information & 100 results per page so can see the occupations & Farmers/Farm labourers.

An abbatoir is nicer sounding term for a slaughterhouse and there will have been many for the cattle pigs etc supplying the locals butchers in the towns and villages. You need to work back from the marriage and birth of their son or daughter.

[Wexflyer]

OP hasn't said anything about dates - his great-grandfather could have been farming in the mid 1800s, or well into 1900s. It matters!

[Murphy616]

Thanks everyone anyway. Apologies I don't have a huge amount of information you see. This is almost a last resort as most of the information went when my my grandma passed away. I never even met my grandad. So a lot of this info comes from my eldest Auntie who unfortunately doesn't have many records!

But on Find my past I found that Francis was born in 1874. So would assume the farm came closer to the early 1900s. Again this is a guess. And makes it more complicated as I know they were in Scotland by 1915.

[Sinann]

Francis was born where in 1874?
I can’t see a marriage for a Francis Murphy and Mary Anne Smyth in Ireland.

You should be able to find his birth certificate here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Just sign in and prove you’re not a robot.

If we can’t find where the family lived there is no chance of finding the farm. Lots of tenants got the chance to buy their farms in the early 1900s after the land war, this maybe the case with your family.

[heywood]

Thanks everyone anyway. Apologies I don't have a huge amount of information you see. This is almost a last resort as most of the information went when my my grandma passed away. I never even met my grandad. So a lot of this info comes from my eldest Auntie who unfortunately doesn't have many records!

But on Find my past I found that Francis was born in 1874. So would assume the farm came closer to the early 1900s. Again this is a guess. And makes it more complicated as I know they were in Scotland by 1915.

Scotlands People

There is s birth for Andrew Murphy, 1915, Shettleston with mother’s surname, Smyth.
Is that your family?
Where did Francis die? Do you have his death certificate?

Marriage
1898 Cambuslang
Francis Murphy and Mary Ann Smyth

[Wexflyer]

Seems to me that the way to proceed would be for OP to find the marriage registration for Francis plus wife. That will give some key information - name of father, his occupation, and perhaps an age for Francis.