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Re: Info on a POW group photo from Stalag VIII B
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 28 January 25 19:32 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for the replies.
My friend's mother was 20 in 1945 and he thinks she worked in the local Steelworks here in Yorkshire.  He has no other correspondence, and doesn't think they ever met.  I gave him the link to try and get this man's service record to see if that would give any clues.  I came across some interesting Pathe News clips of New Zealanders training in England.  I seem to think they were mainly in the South of England, especially those sent here when there was a real threat of invasion.
The newspaper article about penfriends marrying was fascinating.
I did notice the "pinkie rings" and wondered at their significance, if any? 
The men all look very smart and happy.
The photo would have been taken pre 1943 when Stalag VIII-B was renamed 344 Lamsdorf (the stamps on the back are for Stalag VIII-B). He was captured in 1941. I found his POW questionnaire at Ancestry but it didn't really add anything to what I already knew.
He only appears on 11 public trees on Ancestry and some of those are duplicates.  He does appear to have married and had a child.  No obvious family links to England.  Going backwards, his family line is from NZ then Scotland / Ireland / Sweden. 
I will update if I hear anything else

Are there any uniform experts here? 
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Crawshaw (Bradfield)
Evans (Bradwell Dby and Stocksbridge)
Crossley (Penistone)
Rogers (Nottinghamshire & Stocksbridge)
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Re: Info on a POW group and UNIFORMS on photo from Stalag VIII B
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 29 January 25 01:12 GMT (UK) »
There should be some uniform experts here Claire. I’m not sure if uniform identification would help you in any way, but hopefully there might be a clue or two there. The trouble is that a lot of the uniforms look very similar. These men are obviously “dressed up” rather than in combat type uniforms, so I’m not sure of the significance of that. Maybe propaganda if they were happy looking well dressed POWs?

If your friend believes his mother lived and worked locally, investigating Brian’s movements via his service record would be the next move to see if he spent any time in Yorkshire. If she ever know or meet Brian it wouldn’t be surprising if the family knows nothing about it.

It might be worth contacting the public tree owners.

I’m sure that it would have been encouraged for girls to write to servicemen to lift their spirits so the penpal idea makes sense.

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Re: Info on a POW group photo from Stalag VIII B
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 29 January 25 02:05 GMT (UK) »
Did you notice that the chap front row second from the right is wearing a pinky ring? Possibly the one far left front is as well. I assume this means they are well to do? (They look it)  ;)
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In NZ these are called signet rings and are not the preserve only of the wealthy and not only for men.  While my dad did not wear one or any ring, some of his cousins/brothers did and sisters/girls also got signet rings around 13 years, as I did.  These were worn either on the little finger or third finger on the right hand. 

At the time there were not the extreme of class/e wealth in NZ as there are now.  There was a large what you'd call now,  struggling middle class or lower MC from the 1920s on and these look as though they would be contemporaries, including immaculate dress, of my Dad's. 

Most secondary schools both public and private had army training schemes/territorials, boarding establishments and many of the first volunteers were from this background.  My Dad drove 60 miles to the nearest recruiting centre the day after war was declared to volunteer but was held back as he occupation as Secretary of a dairy factory was held to be essential.  He was overseas a year later. 

I think you'd find that these men were well educated, ATC trained and I guess they themselves would be hesitant in assigning themselves to a class. It was generally not a thing and was a point of pride and difference here in the 'colonies'....

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Re: Info on a POW group and UNIFORMS on photo from Stalag VIII B
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 29 January 25 03:39 GMT (UK) »
I know what you mean about the signet rings shanreagh. I used to have one when I was a child.

I was thinking more about how upper class wealthy men wear them, often engraved with initials or their coats of arms. Our current King Charles wears one.

I was surprised to see servicemen wearing something like this, as I would have thought jewellery would be a no no, but that obviously was not the case.

Brian, the man in question, was a “motor body builder” which sounds like a blue collar occupation. All the men in the photo look very smart.