Holland,Hughes,Davis

[Talacharn]

I do not know who you refer to as Rabbits.

These are the only births on the GRO searching 1931-1935 with Jesse being first or middle name. I also checked for a female if a mistake had been made and found nothing. Both found are 1934.
Jesse Holland . mmn / (Higgingbottom) Jan-Mar 1934 . Glossop . Volume 07b . Page 1214 . Occasional Copy: A (Occasional Copy suggests there is another version usually under the mother’s name if the registrar thought the parents were not married. No mmn was recorded and there is no registration under Higgingbottom.
Jesse Francis Hollands .  mmn / ( Hunt) . Oct-Dec 1934 . Rochford . Volume 04a . Page 1076
The database of FreeBMD names Higgingbottom and Hunt, so why do the GRO not include it?)

I assume these listings are correct.
Death: William Holland . 54
Jan-Mar 1961 . Grantham . Volume 3b . Page 109

Marriage: Henry Hughes . Priscilla Holland
Apr-Jun 1964 . Poole . Volume 7c . Page 1492

Birth: Priscilla Benham . mmn Hughes
Jan-Mar 1922 . Mere . Volume 5a . Page 325

[cathayb]

Yes he was born Glossop 1834.I don't think his mum was a traveller but we do know of some Higginbottom's that lived Gypsy life to a certain extent.

[cathayb]

Although Florence was not married as she died having Jesse we presume Bill registered the baby Holland and the mother as Holland as well.We knew his mother died in childbirth with him and that is the only possible Jesse Holland.I will check my tree later but that is not the our Jesse born 1910.He is in the tree I know buy cannot remember who is family are.Just on my smart phone at the moment.Goodness knows how I wrote rabbits,it should be Danboros his wife.

[cathayb]

Florence Higginbottom I am referring to as hus mum.

[Talacharn]

The 1939 Register says Jesse Holland is head of the family not William at 30 Edward Street, Glossop. I assume it was William using the name Jesse. That had confused me. Jesse Holland b.1909 and Ivy Holland b.1908 with children Marion Holland b.1928 and Marlene Holland b.1937. I cannot see the original page, but Jesse must still be redacted. Without proof of death, it will remain closed, and at present no one can find the death.

As William died young, who is Jesse Holland . born 1910?
Q4/2008 . Kings Lynn  (6371a) . Reg 1a006 . Entry Number 33
It is the right name and area, but 24 years out to be Jesse, though I am aware of travellers adding 20 years to make it sound closer to 100. Who registered that death?

[cathayb]

I am really busy at the moment but will get on the lap top tomorrow.I know later generations of this family and none of them even now can read or write properly or know How old they are.One twin has 3 birth certs in her possession all different dates but her twin who was born first has 1 birth cert but it is a whole month later then that of his twin.I will need to follow if I can the 1910 birth to see if it could be Jesse but if there is a birth for 1910 I will know it is not him.At the moment I am crawling cemeteries looking for Jesse and his wife.There are a lot of Florence Higginbottoms but the one I found had not married anyone and died in childbirth with Jesse.I knew his half siblings who are now all dead even though they were a lot younger then him.Jesse also travelled a lot round the west country only returning to the Midlands in the 1990's.

[Talacharn]

Around 1910 +/- 2 years, there are two births named Jesse Holland
1909 in Rochdale mmn Hearsum
1910 in Basford mmn Richards
The 2008 burial could be the Basford Jesse.

Looking for William, he seems to have been born in Lancashire with several Holland/Hughes marriages. These two births look interesting:
William Holland . mmn Hughes 
Apr-Jun 1909 . Burnley . Volume 08e . Page 223
William James Holland . mmn Hughes 
Jan-Mar 1909 . Oldham . Volume 08d . Page 62
Looking in the 1911 census the only Jesse in Rochdale I found was recorded as female and Jessie.
William Holland, Burnley  I could not find.
William James Holland, Oldham Father: William Edward Holland, rope manufacturer born Stockport. Mother: Sarah Jane Holland (Hughes) born Ince Lancashire. Brother John b.1911, sister Ada b.1907.

Marriage: Jesse Holland . Florence Higginbottom
Oct-Dec 1927 . Glossop, Derbyshire . Volume 7B . Page 2125

Birth: Jesse Holland
Jan-Mar 1934 . Glossop, Derbyshire . Volume 7B . Page 1214

Burial: Florence Higginbottom Holland . Birth: 1905 . 05 Feb 1934 . Glossop Cemetery, High Peak Borough, Derbyshire . Plot info: C of E, Grave 4744

There was a birth before Jesse:
Death: Florence E Holland . 4 (Est 1932)
1936 . Derbyshire . Volume 7B . Page 874
This seems to be their daughter who died two years after her mother.
There were also two other daughters.

The deaths for a Jesse Holland from 1965 to 2023
Jesse Holland . born 1910 died Q4/2008 in Kings Lynn   
Jesse Holland . born 1909 died Q2/1991 in Tameside
Jesse Holland . born 1921 died Q1/1993 Stoke on Trent
None match a 1934 birth. There were a few others, but too far away. Did he change his name? If he has died, there must be a death registration somewhere, and if it is none of the above, the registration must be under a different name.

[cathayb]

William's perants were James Holland and Angelina Orchard that is definitely.William Holland definitely had a son born out of marriage who was Jesse Holland born 1834.zThere is no marriage to the Florence Higginbottom I found but as she died in child birth the child was named Jesse Holland mothers maiden name Holland which we know as wrong.I cannot find the Jesse born 1910 would need to find more about his life to see if my Jesse changed his birth date.They were a very uneducated family and in the early days travelled Glossop where Jesse met Danboros but then they were in Somerset,Dorset Wiltshire and in the 1970 's definitely in Somerset.They travelled far and wide but wanted to end their days on a site near Wisbech during the 90's after which they dud not travel far.Jesse hated gaujos and avoided census ect like the plague.In the 1850's he was using the surname Davis  but by the 90's he was Jesse Holland Davis!He would not have known how old he was.His mother died at birth and his dad died when he was 35 years old but I doubt he stopped much with his dad has he had Tb and was a very bad tempered man.His half siblings all settled in Somerset mainly Bridgwater.All dead now.He wanted to settle in the 90's near his wives family near Wisbech.I am wondering if he got age wrong and dud his family thing he was born 1910 getting mixed up with his dad.I just do not know.zThere should be a death for Danboros aswell.As you say they must have death certs somewhere.This is turning out to be very difficult to piece together.

[Talacharn]

In my last post I offered the marriage:
Marriage: Jesse Holland . Florence Higginbottom
Oct-Dec 1927 . Glossop, Derbyshire . Volume 7B . Page 2125

I will look for a death under Davis/Davies.
There will be a death registration somewhere, but probably not under Holland.