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Re: Parents not married?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 14 March 25 12:55 GMT (UK) »
1851 has a Margaret HOPKIN age 2 living in Welsh St Donatts with Charlotte and Ann David.  She is listed as Illegitimate daur of another person

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Next door are a Thomas Hopkin 69, Mary Hopkin 65, Elvira Hopkin 29 plus 2 grandaughters
I have a 1851 census record for a Thomas Hopkin aged 61 wife Mary 54 John 25 Catherine 23 James 20 Jane 17 Thomas 13 Ann 12 Thomas 3 Grandson living at the Lodge Welsh St Donats.
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Re: Parents not married?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 14 March 25 12:57 GMT (UK) »
Margaret is Hopkin, Charlotte and Ann are David. The census state that she is the illegitimate daughter of another person.  There is another child on the page, not related to your query but they have a similar comment against them.  It is as though they are possibly being fostered.

I would not assume that her father is John Hopkin just because she names him when she marries.
   

1881 census has Margaret living at Lower Cosmeston farm shown as Daughter, the head of the family is John Hopkins
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Re: Parents not married?
« Reply #11 on: Friday 14 March 25 21:09 GMT (UK) »
I will try to find a Baptism record for Margaret as with a bit of luck it will have the mothers name recorded.
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Re: Parents not married?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 17 March 25 16:02 GMT (UK) »
   HOPKIN, MARGARET       MORGAN 
GRO Reference: 1850  J Quarter in OF BRIDGEND AND COWBRIDGE  Volume 26  Page 389
   HOPKIN, MARGARET       THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1850  J Quarter in OF BRIDGEND AND COWBRIDGE  Volume 26  Page 398
   HOPKIN, MARGARET       EVANS 
GRO Reference: 1850  J Quarter in OF BRIDGEND AND COWBRIDGE  Volume 26  Page 391
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« Reply #13 on: Monday 17 March 25 16:06 GMT (UK) »
   HOPKIN, MARGARET       THOMAS 
GRO Reference: 1848  M Quarter in OF BRIDGEND AND COWBRIDGE  Volume 2
Maeer - Devon and Glamorgan
David - Cardiff Pontypridd
Astley -Merthyr Tydfil
Newland- Hampshire
Jones -Treherbert Rhondda
McCarthy - Cork & Cardiff
Pellow  -  Cornwall

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« Reply #14 on: Monday 17 March 25 16:29 GMT (UK) »
Name   Margaret Hopkin
Sex   Female
Age   11 years
Birth Year (Estimated)   1850
Birthplace   Welsh St Donats, Glamorganshire
Residence Place   Village
Relationship to Head of Household   Granddaughter
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1861
Event Place   Penllyn, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom
Maeer - Devon and Glamorgan
David - Cardiff Pontypridd
Astley -Merthyr Tydfil
Newland- Hampshire
Jones -Treherbert Rhondda
McCarthy - Cork & Cardiff
Pellow  -  Cornwall

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« Reply #15 on: Monday 17 March 25 16:31 GMT (UK) »
Residence Place   Village
Relationship to Head of Household   Granddaughter
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1861
Event Place   Penllyn, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)   Penllyn, Glamorganshire, Wales
Registration District   Bridgend
Household Identifier   4407826
Line Number   10
Page Number   5
Piece/Folio   4076 / 32
Registration Number   RG09
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Thomas Hopkin
M
72 years
..., Glamorganshire

Thomas Hopkin person details
Name   Thomas Hopkin
Sex   Male
Age   72 years
Birth Year (Estimated)   1789
Birthplace   ..., Glamorganshire
Residence Place   Village
Marital Status   Married
Relationship to Head of Household   Head
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1861
Event Place   Penllyn, Glamorgan, Wales, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original)   Penllyn, Glamorganshire, Wales
Registration District   Bridgend
Household Identifier   4407826
Line Number   10
Page Number   5
Piece/Folio   4076 / 32
Registration Number   RG09
Mary Hopkin
F
60 years
Ystradowen, Glamorganshire

John Hopkin
M
32 years
Llanblethian, Glamorganshire

James Hopkin
M
28 years
Welsh St Donats, Glamorganshire

Jane Hopkin
F
26 years
Welsh St Donats, Glamorganshire

Ann Hopkin
F
21 years
Welsh St Donats, Glamorganshire

David Frederick
M
14 years
Penlline, Glamor
Maeer - Devon and Glamorgan
David - Cardiff Pontypridd
Astley -Merthyr Tydfil
Newland- Hampshire
Jones -Treherbert Rhondda
McCarthy - Cork & Cardiff
Pellow  -  Cornwall

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Re: Parents not married?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 19 March 25 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Heddwch for the information you have listed.
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Re: Parents not married?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 28 March 25 17:28 GMT (UK) »
Mabel has found the following......Not sure if there's a connection, but a John Hopkin, illegitimate son of John Hopkin, farmer, and Ann Morgan, is baptised in Welsh St Donats in 1853

I believe this is the second illegitimate child of John Hopkin and Ann Morgan.  The problem is I cannot find him on the 1861,71,81 census records or a death or burial record on Ancestry  I enter his birth date as 1853 at Welsh st Donats but no records are found. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Francis - Hilperton
Llewellyn - Cardiff & Pembroke