William Llewelyn - A “gentleman farmer” in Carmarthen (1861)?

[davidlle]

William Llewelyn was the father of the Rev David Jones Llewelyn and according to his marriage certificate (9/9/1884), his father was a "Gentleman Farmer".  Yet I can find no trace of William’s existence. 

I can find David Llewelyn in 1871, aged 13, living according to his daughter with his Aunt Mary Llewelyn a shoemaker’s widow, in Llandebie the place of his birth. However his mother was also supposed to be called Mary which adds a little confusion.   

The request is to find any records pre 1871 of either David Jones Llewelyn as a child or baby, or more useful. William and Mary his parents.

Many thanks   David Llewelyn  ( DJL’s great granson)

['Tricia]

Just to add to the confusion this is the only match for David on 1861

Living Monty..gle Llandebie

 Llewelyn Llewelyn  1835  Llandebie, Carmarthenshire, Wales Head  Farmer
 Mary Llewelyn 1835  Llandebie, Carmarthenshire, Wales Farmer's Wife 
 David Llewelyn  1859  Llandebie, Carmarthenshire, Wales Son   
 Hannah Llewelyn1857  Llandebie, Carmarthenshire, Wales Daughter     
 John Llewelyn 1848  Llandebie, Carmarthenshire, Wales Servant 

 
 RG9/4132 Llandilofawr Llanebie Folio 76 Page 23

Tricia

[davidlle]

Tricia, this looks as if you are on the right track.  Certainly David's dates seem more or less Ok, Mary is right and Head Farmer is correct - but no William  - perhaps he missed that name out on the census form.  I knew nothing about Hannah.

Does anyone else know anything about this?  or their farm address? 

David

['Tricia]

Message received

Tricia

[PrueM]

Hi Tricia,
Couldn't resist having a peek at the census image...I think the address is "Nant y Crigle" or "Nant y Crugle" (though there does appear to be a dot over the "i" in "Crigle".  That last word doesn't seem to be very Welsh, though 
Don't know whether that is any help or not!!
Prue

[sllewelyn]

Hi There,
It's Nantycreigle Farm where my ancestors lived in Glanamman. It's still there today. There are a few of us who have researched this clan of the Llewelyn's quite extensively if you need some help.
Kind Regards,
Steve Llewelyn

[amondg]

Do you have the actual marriage certificate or just the transcription?
Annie Kershaw' father was William could it be a transcription error.
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1871 Llandebie Wales
address Nantycraigle
Llewelyn Llewelyn 37 Farmer  50 acres
Mary wife 34
Hannah 13  scholar
DAVID 11  scholar
Rees 9  scholar
Thomas 4

[hanes teulu]

Llewelyn Llewelyn, age 24, Farmer, Nantycreigle married Mary Jones, Llwyndir on 7 Aug 1857 - parish church Llandebie (cert. on FindMyPast)..

[hanes teulu]

Llandybie came under Llandilofawr registration district 1837-1935

Birth Registration
David Llewelin, Jun Qtr 1858, Llandilofawr, vol 11a  page 632 - mother's maiden name Jones