William Llewelyn - A “gentleman farmer” in Carmarthen (1861)?

[sllewelyn]

Hi There,
I don't think the Llewelyn's you are researching are the Nantycreigle clan. I've got the Rev. David Jones Llewelyn 1858-1927 as part of the Pentrgwenlais Llewelyn group, son of William Llewelyn 1816-1867 colliery labourer.
My 4x Great Grandfather Rees Llewelyn had a son William Llewelyn 1836-1844 at Nantycreigle who is buried at the family chapel Hen Bethel with his brother Harbert and both parents. Rees's son Llewelyn Llewelyn 1835-1899 took over at Nantycreigle after Rees's death and Llewelyn's son William 1876-1957 was born at Nantycreigle and was a haulier who died in Glanamman.
Kind Regards,
Steve Llewelyn.

[sllewelyn]

Hi David,
Just realising - are you the David Llewelyn in Norway? John Wayne Lewis asked to keep an eye out for your DNA results 3 years ago to see if we could "Unite The Clans" so to speak but unfortunately it doesn't seem to have happened.
Kind Regards,
Steve Llewelyn

[hanes teulu]

Just to confirm - we are looking for the father of -
1891 Census
David J Llewelyn, head, married, age 32, Vicar of Beaufort, born Llandybie (married Annie Kershaw, named 1st born William H)?

[hanes teulu]

David J Llewelyn, Vicar of Beaufort, studied at St. Aidan's College, Birkenhead. He was ordained priest Sep 1882 by the Bishop of Chester. St. Aidan's closed 1970 and its archives are with Liverpool University.

[sllewelyn]

The problem with this Llewelyn family group is that they cannot be located in the 1861 census record. I think David J Llewelyn may have been telling porkies on his marriage cert. making out his colliery labouring father was someone a little higher in society as many people did. William Llewelyn 1816-1867 colliery labourer and Mary b.1819 both born in Llandeilo are at Wernewydd Llandebie parish in 1851 with children Ann 1841 Elizabeth 1843, Mary 1845 and Rachel 1850. I cannot locate them in 1861 but in 1871 Mary Llewelyn the widow of William the labourer is still at Wernewydd, now a widow with her youngest children daughter Jane dress maker and son David Llewelyn, a shoe maker.

[hanes teulu]

I'd plumped for the '71 Census you'd posted and had begun checking out Jane. It doesn't quite gel  with the description of David on the '71 Census in the opening post and I was going to ask for clarification.
Thanks for the confirmation.

[sllewelyn]

This Llewelyn household has either been missed in 1861 or there appear to be pages missing on Ancestry Llandebie District 10 - page 3 is duplicated, then 4, 5, 6. Neighbouring households around them in 1851 and 1871 are listed with David Anthony from Llanedy who marries William & Mary's daughter Ann Llewelyn b.1840 and living in Wernewyd in 1871 with his wife, children and mother-in-law. David Anthony in 1861 is in Bankaredig/Nantgaredig which is the house next door to Wernewydd according to the 1871 census.

[hanes teulu]

Thanks for the update.
Also, a belated but nonetheless very warm welcome to Rootschat.

[hanes teulu]

Birth Registrations (FindMyPast and GRO) -  Registration District Llandilofawr (includes Llandebie/Llandybie)

Jane Llewelyn, Dec Qtr 1855, 11a 633 - mother's maiden name Jones
David Llewelin, Jun Qtr 1858, 11a 632 - mother Jones
David Lewelyn, Jun Qtr 1860, 11a 633 - mother Jones
Rees Lewelyn, Mar Qtr, 1862, 11a 599 - mother Jones

There's a 2 Dec 1853, Llangadock marriage of a William LLewelyn, full age, Gerdinen ganol, Farmer, father also William, Yeoman and Margaret Rees, Bryn with, father John, Yeoman.

Fits David Jones' description of his father but yet to spot a David Llewelyn (or variations) - mother's maiden name Rees. D J Llewelyn did name 2 of his children William and Margaret - coincidence?