1841 & 1851 census Piper family - COMPLETED

[fionnghal]

i'd be really grateful if SKS has hte time and resources to find my Piper family in hte 1841 and 1851 Edinburgh censuses

i've inluded what i know of hteir addresses and ages

Mary Piper, widow, b. out of county,  independent i reckon.
she must be at least 60yrs of age although 1841 may show her as younger
address:  Mrs John Piper, of East Craigs, 8 Windsor St. (Calton hill / Greenside neighbourhood) [PO Annual Directory of Edinburgh 1841-42]

i've tried http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl  1841 but neither she nor son John are listed .. so far.  her son Edward and hteir family are and i have their 1841.

1841   John Piper jun., 2 Windsor St  Edinburgh [PO Dir.1841-42].  no idea of his age :-/
he may be married with children.  i'd be delighted to fnd out :-)
.................
1851
Mary Piper again,  i imagine she will be at teh same address.  born England,  independent i reckon.
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1851 
Edward Piper b.c.1802 England; Mail Coach Contractor
Charlotte, wife, b.c.1810 England
known chldren all born Edinburgh:
Fanny / Frances c.20; Charlotte c.19; Mary c.17; Elizabeth c.16; Lucy c.14; [unknown other children in here]; Edward c.6; William c.5; Alice 1-2yrs;
by 1845 they're listed in hte PO Dir. at 2 Brandon St Edinburgh (Stockbridge neighbourhood i think) with a business address
Piper & Co., Royal Mail Coach office, 1 Catherine st. Edn.

thankyou for having ht patience to read through this :-)
and thanks again in advance for any time you can find to look these up for me

le durachd  :-)
fionnghal

[Unë kthimi i papenduar]

The list is growing:

Remember those from whom you are decended.

 2 Windsor Street

        PIPER       John       29       Independent        England           
        PIPER       Elisabeth Scott    30                   
        PIPER       Jane       6
Servants                       
        MCLAREN       Margaret       F       27                  
        LAURIE       Margaret       F       16       

8 Windsor Street
   
        PIPER       Mary  70       Independent        England           
Servants
                        MILLER       Ann       F       20              
        BOYNE       Isabella       F       25   

[fionnghal]

Thank you.  that was most kind.  I now have their other censuses too.  in fact i have managed to follow John Piper b.c.1810 back down to England in the 1851 & 1871 censuses.  However, he eluded me in 1861 till i discovered he'd ended up in the debtors jail!  If they took a census of the prisoners, i haven't found it; however, i do know now where he was! Queen's Prison, Holloway! 

thanks again

le durachd

Fionnghal

[parakeet]

Hello Fionnghal

I have just come across this post while searching  for the family of  William Robert John Piper - Edward's son - who you found on the 1851 census.

I don't know how much you have found since last year or if you are interested in the whole family but I have found a few things.

Let me know if you are interested.

Jacqueline

[fionnghal]

hi Jacqueline, nice to hear from you.  Yes, we've done a fair bit of research on the Piper family and always willing to share.  My cousin too, is interested in them. 

in a rush at the mo, but will get back to you 

Fionnghal

[fionnghal]

hi Jacqueline, just squeezing in a few minutes before bed.  I told my cousin you'd written and she'd be happy to exchange info too.  She's more closely related to WRJ than i am and had run up a blind alley with him.

We've managed to follow most of his censuses, with just a blip in 1861 when he went to ground and the 1911, i think we have him, in Liverpool, bereft of kids. He didn't half get around.   Don't know what happened to the kids though we suspect son John Teather went to sea.

Will get back to you sometime over the weekend

le durachd

Fionnghal

[parakeet]

 Hi Fionnghal

Great to hear from you.

I know where William R J was in 1861 - at Uppingham public school. Haven't been able to find him in 1911 though. Yes he certainly did get around and never worked apart from one census where he is an "evangelist" and presumably that was unpaid. But he had money from both mother and father.

He is the link with my family - his wife, Elizabeth Dunn ,was my great great grandfather's niece (ie his sister's daughter)

Also know a bit about John Teather - he was Chief Officer on the Lusitania and went down with the ship in May 1915.

Look forward to hearing from you again

best wishes

Jacqueline

[fionnghal]

Just noticed as i filed your name and contact address on William's - I've a Fact extra: "Researcher" and whenever I come on someone who is researching the family i put them under the individual's name + the earliest parent, so, apart from the not always successful search through old e-mails, i can find then either by remembering where they are or cross-referencing with the earliest parent who reminds me where they are    helps when ones brain gets a bit aged 

Yes he certainly did get around and never worked apart from one census where he is an "evangelist" and presumably that was unpaid. But he had money from both mother and father.

While i was entering your e-mail address on William's page, the Probate entry hit me in the eye, I'd forgotten that fact, William is named heir to his grandfather, John Teather's property in Alstonby, which is probably where he got the money he lived off  - once his mum had died.  I can't think he got much from the Piper side. Their business and finances had suffered quite badly by then.  Off the top of my head I can't recall how Charlotte split her wealth.  She'd money of her own.  I'd need to look it up if you haven't got a copy of her will. 

Right, must get  on, dust waits for no man!

le durachd

Fionnghal

[parakeet]

Many thanks for this. I assumed he got the money from his mother. But my probate entry gives no details about who the money was left to - from Ancestry. Have you got another entry?

Am puzzled as to why the grandfather would leave the money to William - he was the second son. But it does explain why all his children apart from Sarah were born in Cumberland - probably in that house he inherited. Perhaps Edward - the eldest son -  got  money from his father when he died. The father Edward doesn't seem to have fared so badly as John , his brother. I love the stories about the Royal Mail coaches - have always been fascinated by this.

Charlotte Mary Teather had moved from Alstonby by 1881 so presumably it was sold. Once again the probate gives no details. But William was evangelising in Peebles in 1881 and his wife  and children were in Rothesay.

Once again Fionnghal, many thanks for your help.

Jacqueline