1841/51/61 census - Hitchin - WALLER

[Keith Bateman]

Hi Peter,

Of course!!

It doesn't take much to put my mind out these days!! 

Still a few birth details to find for the rest - my tree has just grown again!

Cheers

Keith

[Keith Bateman]

Hi All,

As an update to this - I have today received a marriage certificate for my great aunt - Mary Jane Bateman's marriage to Charles Campkin in 1904.

Well  - what's that got to do with Wallers??!!

In 1901 census Charles was living with his brother in law's family - Frederick Waller and his wife Jane.

Now all I have to do is connect the first and last posts of mine!! 

A witness is Constance Bangs - who's mother adopted Mary Jane's sister - Elizabeth - everything is interconnected!!

Just shows you  - keep ALL details - however irrelevant they seem at the time!!

Thanks for all the help so far.

Cheers

Keith

[petercornish]

Hi Keith,

Whilst  doing a casual search in the 1851 for Hitchin I stumbled on another cluster of names that may be familiar to you  -

107/1710  F.123  P.22  Tyler Street, Hitchin
Charles Waller  Head  M 39  Dealer  Lilley Herts
Ann Waller  Wife  M  39  East Ham Essex
Henry Waller  Son  14  Plaiter  Hitchin
Cath Waller  Dau  19  Plaiter  East Ham,
Ellen Waller  Dau 12  Plaiter  Hitchin
Mary Waller  Dau  10 Plaiter  Hitchin
Jane Waller  Dau  8   Scholar  Hitchin
Emily Waller  Dau  5  Hitchin
Next entry -
Mary Waller  Head  Widow  79  Pauper  Luton Beds
Mary Humble  Lodger  Widow  Kilkenny Ireland
Next entry -
Samuel Westwood  Head  M  45  Ag lab  Hitchin
Sarah Westwood  Wife  M  50   Hitchin
Then  -  F.128  P.33  Highlander Cottage, Hitchin
William Westwood  Head M 39 Printer or Painter Hitchin
Mary Weswood  Wife  M 37  Hitchin
Mary Ann Westwood Dau 17  Plaiter  Hitchin
Elizabeth Westwood  Dau  13 Plaiter Hitchin
Thomas Westwood  Son  11 Scholar  Huntingdon
***** Westwood  Dau  8  Scholar  Hoddesdon, Herts
Sarah Westwood  Dau  6 Scholar  Hoddesdon
George Westwood  Son 4  Hitchin
Esther Westwood  Dau  2  Flamstead, Herts.

We keep finding 'em.

Regards  ...   Peter


 

[Keith Bateman]

Hi Peter,

I knew we were a close knit family down there - but this is getting ridiculous!!

Looks like the Hitchin Mafia to me. 

You better give me ALL your information  -  or else!! 


Once again -  ThankYou 

Keith

[Keith Bateman]

Hi Peter,

Why does the more information mean more headaches!!

I was just entering the last lot you found for me - started at the bottom as William Westwood is my direct line - and found George born in 1847.
I have that they had a son George in 1831 - on checking the IGI reference C072481 - I have noted that only the mother's name is down - as Mary Westwood.
I have a marriage for Mary Knight and William Westwood in 1833 - and thought that George (1831) might be illegitimate - but now realise that his name would then have been George Knight!!

I have George (senior) in the 1871 census at the Horse & Jockey in Hitchin - with his family - but will now have to see if he really is one of my lot. This is from a bit ago - when I thought that Westwood was an uncommon name!!

I presume the name of their daughter  - aged 8 - is Maria - as this is what I have already down (might be right this time!!)

Could I be a real pain and ask you to check William's occupation - in 2 later census records I have him down as a "General Smith" and "Blacksmith" - I didn't think they learned smithing later in life!! I must (!!) be right as in 1861 I have him living at the "Back of Highlander" - but....

Did I say Thank you 

Cheers

Keith

P.S. - At least I am making use of all you find for me !! 

[Keith Bateman]

As a 2nd update - I have found lots of interesting bits - but the 2 best are as follows:
Father: Samuel Waller, Mother: Susannah
Batch Number: C048111
  International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 3 
 1. JANE WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 OCT 1829 Hitchin, Hertford, England
 
 2. GEORGE WESTWOOD ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.][/color] ErrorSPAM REPORT THIS POST AS SPAM (Use 'Report to Moderator'). DO NOT CLICK ON ANY LINKS IN THIS POST. DO NOT REPLY TO THIS PERSON.][/color] WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 OCT 1825 Hitchin, Hertford, England
 
 3. HENRY WALLER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 APR 1827 Hitchin, Hertford, England

Nice when they do that isn't it!! I believe that is quite common in Scotland to have a middle name from the wife's family.

Also I have in 1881 William Worboys living with his niece Henrietta Harman, whose mother's maiden name was Waller!!

So Some of the information locks other things in place!

Strange though I haven't found my original request yet - but hey, have another 20 relatives instead!!   

Thanks again Peter.

Cheers

Keith
 
 
 

[petercornish]

Hi Keith,

I studied the blown up version of the 1851 entry for George Westwood at HALS today and can confirm that his occupation is recorded as WHITE SMITH.

Sorry about the confusion.

Regards   ...   Peter

[gazza]

Hi Keith ,just wondering if you know how "Waller" is pronounced. (I have some Waller connections in my tree) Is it as in Fats Waller or as in someone who builds a wall?
rgds
Gazza

[Keith Bateman]

Hi Peter & Gazza,

Peter
Thanks for the extra lookup Peter - will now go away and study what a white smith did!!


Gazza,
Never thought about that - I read it as in Fats Waller - but after having someone send me a tape of a broadcast for the pronunciation of another lot of mine - Faragher - I am most probably wrong!!
Just to boost my viewing figures try this:
 http://batemans-history.rootschat.net/mcburnieandpartingtons.htm
I seem to be getting more like Paul E every moment   
Where are yours from - could depend on what part of the country - how you pronounce the name.

Thanks for the interest both of you.

Cheers

Keith