Thurston

[trish1120]

No sure but maybe easier to keep everything together as they seem to get around the Country.
Rosetta Mary CECIL's Christening has Father WILLIAM, Mother JANE and;
Marriage Record (Eng/Wale) 1 June 1857, has her Father as WILLIAM, And Phillips Father HENRY Frost
Christenings;
FREDERICK Cecil 19 April 1829
ALFRED Cecil 15 April 1832
At S Nicholas , Brighton, Sussex , Parents William and Jane

1851 Census, 4 Norfolk St, Brighton, Sussex has;
Jane CECIL, 53, Tailors Widow, born Weymouth, Dorset
Frederick, 22, Tailor
Alfred, 19, Tailor
ROSE, 17, Embroidress
Jane, 14, Servant
All born Brighton, Sussex
HO107/1646/371/14

Familysearch Pilot has a John Francis CECIL, Christened 7 January 1816 to William CECIL and Jane HAYWARD
Union St Chapel Independant, Brighton, Sussex
Jane Eliza Cecil, 1826, St Nicholas
Ellen Jane CECIL, 10 July 1836, St Nicholas
POSETTA MARY Cecil, 23 March 1834, St Nicholas
Beatrice Jane Cecil, 20 June 1830, St Nicholas

Marriage of a LOUISA Ann Cecil, Father WILLIAM to David HOBBS 1942, Brighton.

##There is a BURIAL of a WILLIAM Cecil, 20 August 1850, Brighton, Sussex##

1841 Census
5 Norfolk St,
Brighthelmstone, Brighton, Sussex
HO107/1122/17/Brighthelmstone

William CECIL, 51, Tailor
Jane, 42
Louisa, 20
Frederick, 12
Alfred, 9
ROSA, 7
Jane, 5
All born in County

[trish1120]

Just trying to put this together!
We have a possible child;
JOHN FRANCIS Cecil 1816

Definitely have;
LOUISA abt 1821, married David HOBBS 1842
JANE ELIZA 1826
FREDERICK 1829
BEATRICE JANE 1830
ALFRED 1832
ROSA MARY 1834
ELLEN JANE 1836 ( Known as Jane probably from census data)

Possible Marriage;
William CECIL
Jane HAYWOOD, 15 August 1814, Bedminster, Somerset
( Source Familysearch Pilot)

As Jane was born Dorset it is likely that they married nearer there. Somerset and Dorset share a border.

Also the only LOUISA ANN Cecil Christening I can find with Parents William and Jane is this;
10 December 1820, Frampton Cotterell, Gloucester, England

This matches Louisas age on the 1841 census before her Marriage.
The point of this is although they are all down as born in County in 1841 we know that Jane wasnt and possibly Louisa.
Therefore William may have not been either.

I will see if I can find Louisa in 1851 and possible Brother John born c 1816

[trish1120]

John CECIL born c 1817, Brighton is in Warickshire in 1851.
HO107/2051/516/23
Surprise He is a Tailor and Draper.

Louisa says she is born Worthing, Sussex.

[hoelzle]

Wow! so much info thanks Trish.
I shall need some time to fully digest all this.

I do have the marriage certificate for Louisa Ann Cecil to David Hobbs (Father William) 11 Dec 1842 St Nicholas Brighton.
It would appear David was born in Goudhurst Kent and Louisa Ann in Worthing as you say.
David went on to become a shipping agent and he died in 1905 and Louisa in 1904.
Louisa's marriage witnessed by Jane Cecil (aged 44) & Richard Martin
 
Does it look as though William Cecil and Jane may have married in Worthing?
And could Louisa have been born in Reading Berkshire because her parents lived there? then perhaps William & Jane were married in Reading?

Frederick Cecil 1829, went on to have 6 children including;
Francis William Cecil 1855 and
John Alfred Cecil 1863
So if name association is relevant then -
John Francis Cecil 1816 is certainly a child of William & Jane although Jane was only 17 or 18 when she had him?

Also Jane Elizabeth is not shown in either 1841 or 1851 census
when she would have been 15 and 25 yrs old.
As she is only on FamilySearch Pilot.
Does this make her suspect? 

Hope I've got it right,

Regards.

[wreningham]

In memory of Jeremiah Thurston who died July 10th 1803, aged 84 years. Record of the memorial inscriptions in Wreningham, All Saints churchyard in the County of Norfolk. grave stone number 16A.

Jeremiah Thurston born 1719, married Grace Bushell widow, 7th Oct 1746, Grace bap.7th Aug. 1720 at St. Peter Mancroft, Norwich, daughter of Jeremiah and Grace Bottomley.  Grace had 3 other sisters bap. at St. Peter Mancroft, Mary 3rd Aug. 1713, Susanna 23rd Oct, 1715 (married Bartholomew Jelly 21st May 1738), and Martha bap. 26th Mar, 1718.  Grace was living in Wymondham when she first married Samuel Bushell 30th  June 1740.  Samuel Bushell died in Dec 1742, later Grace married Jeremiah Thurston, they had 5 children:
 1. Joseph Thurston bap. 1st Mar 1747, he died when he was 75.
 2. Jeremiah bap. 9th Nov 1749, married Susannah Hubbard 6th Feb 1771. Wit. were Robert Thurston and Susanna Livock. They had 9 children all bap, in Wreningham, i) Robert 21st July 1771, ii) Susannah Dec 1773, iii) Grace Feb 1776, iv) Jeremiah Feb 1778, v) Susan Dec 1779, vi) Mary Jan 1780, vii) John May 1781, viii) William mar 1893 and  ix) Thomas 8th July 1787.

There is a little more information in the book at my local library.  If anyone would like anymore information please get in touch. The book is Past Days of Wreningham, Norfolk Compiled by Basil K. Day of Norfolk.

[hoelzle]

Thanks Wreningham (fitting username) for your reply,
I have to say after weeks of trying to locate a copy of this book by Basil Day and my local library telling me there isn't a single copy available in the country, I contacted Basil directly and purchased my own copy.
What a wealth of information it has turned out to be.
I am thrilled to be the proud owner of this iconic work produced by him & his wife and I shall lock it away at night for safe keeping.
What a mammoth task and he said it took the best part of 15 years to compile and none of it was referenced by computer, all done by good old Post Office snail mail and he doesn't even have an email address!!
Thanks again for making contact.
Kind regards.

[wreningham]

It was my pleasure. I am so glad that you had discovered this book beforehand. Otherwise I would have given you his addressto make contact with him.  I am sure that he would have been very pleased to have some-one contact him, in regard to all his work in producing this wonderful book.

Regards Wreningham

[notorious]

Just found this conversation and joined the forum. I am researching my partner's family tree. He is descended from Jeremiah Thurston 1719-1803 and Grace Bottomley 1718-1800 via John Thurston 1759-1834, John Lock Thurston 1781-1816, John J Thurston 1816-1884, Elizabeth Thurston 1851-1901, and then his grandmother and father. We would like to know how to contact Basil Day about his book on Wreningham. Also to connect with relatives in Australia especially re pictures.

[DaveC]

Is anyone still researching this Cecil family?
I believe that Wiliam Cecil, tailor, married Jane Hayman in 1814 Bedminster, Bristol.
They had John Francis Cecil bapt 1816 Brighton, non con, where his mother is "late Hayman"
Louisa Ann Cecil bapt 1820 Frampton Cotterell
William Hayman Cecil bapt 1820 Frampton Cotterell
Then the rest of the children bapt Brighton.
William was probably born in Herefordshire
The 1830 will of John Cecil of Much Dewchurch names son "William Cecil of Brighton"

Dave