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Re: The 19th C. Blacksmith - how many were needed in town or village?
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 11 October 05 18:01 BST (UK) »
There is a shortage, the people are stuggling to fill it.  Its at the local mining museum, which is another example of where you would find them, think of all the tools and things both above and below ground, and all the horses there years ago

I would love to do it but my trade is Mechanical Engineering as a Fitter and most of my experience is nuclear and even so I have been "off the tools" for so long tapping keyboards - and records management I'd not know which end of the hammer to hold, strange as it seems I love walking through workshops with the smells of oils and greases - "Rocol" and the like

I've never been up to this mining museum - I am going to have to go up there perhaps have a go again
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Re: The 19th C. Blacksmith - how many were needed in town or village?
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 11 October 05 20:11 BST (UK) »
Andrew,
You're obviously dying to give it a go!  But where exactly is this mining museum...?
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« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 11 October 05 20:46 BST (UK) »
Haig Mining Museum Whitehaven

I wouldn't have the skills, I only spent about a month with the blacksmiths, and a bit at school, and certainly not fit enough.

A bit of a romantic thought though

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Re: The 19th C. Blacksmith - how many were needed in town or village?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 01 November 05 07:12 GMT (UK) »
My 3x g grandfather John MANNERS I believe came to Australia around 1856, possibly as an apprentice blacksmith. I have not been able to confirm this but on his marriage certificate (aged 24) he states his usual occupation as a blacksmith. He went on to start his own business in Taree, NSW as an Machine and Agricultural Implement Maker
This is an add in the Manning and Hastings Advocte dated Friday January 6, 1882.

John Manners
Machine and Agricultural Implement Maker,
Taree
Has secured the assistance of a first-class Wheelwright from Sydney, and is now prepared to execute all orders for
Waggonettes, Hawkers' Waggons, Farmers' Waggons, Bullock Drays, Horse Drays, Spring Carts, and every description of Vehicle, at Sydney prices.
Material and Workmanship guaranteed, and orders completed on the shortest notion.
Wheels made for the Trade.

Later on he took his business to Sydney.

I can only imagine how many people he must have needed to work for him in Sydney, being the largest colony, and right by the Darling Harbour, where he was probably making products for shipping industry also.

I have yet to find out how long he was in the business but I do believe it was passed on to his son.

This is what makes research so interesting.

Shirley
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« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 01 November 05 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Quite right, Shirley!
Suddenly coming across pieces of personal family history like that brings the whole genealogy thing brightly to life, doesn't it?  Fascinating reading...
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Re: The 19th C. Blacksmith - how many were needed in town or village?
« Reply #23 on: Monday 05 December 05 01:29 GMT (UK) »
hi all,
thought I might add a little story on my family of blacksmiths that might answer a couple of questions.

Five brothers, all blacksmiths, left Kildwick Yorkshire in the 1850's to come to Australia.  Probably because their were too many blacksmiths in the town.  ;D Their father and his father were also blacksmiths.
They settled, first, in an outback town called Deniliquin, NSW.
In 1859, Joseph Simpson was accused of setting fire to a hay shed owned by a John Taylor.  John Taylor had owned the local hotel and had set up a blacksmith shop in opposition to Joseph Simpson.  A statement made in the newspaper goes as follows: "There's no b----- mistake, I've got a down on Taylor, and I wish he had been in the midst of the b----- flames.  What does a man want to carry on a butcher's and a blacksmith's shop? Let him stick to his pulic-house".
They had a price war going on, very similar to petrol price wars of today.  The newspaper article discusses the price of shoeing, so this blacksmith was obviously into the horse shoeing business.  "Simpson used to charge one pound for shoeing" after the price war it was 10 shilling for saddle horse and 12 shilling for draught horse.
Adverts show that he was also a wheelright. 
The case was based soley on a boot found at the fire, and fortunately for my ancestor he was finally acquitted.
The brothers scattered themselves in nearby towns, and eventually their sons took over the business.  Joseph later opened up a hotel ( I guess to be in opposition to his friend 'Taylor')  ;D

hope you found this interesting as well as helpful,
Margaret
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« Reply #24 on: Monday 05 December 05 10:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Margaret,
What a wonderful story!  There's a suspicion that in my LINGLEY family one of the blacksmith fraternity was transported to Australia for what would today be considered a fairly minor crime, but we're not exactly sure how closely connected he was to the family.  No cases of arson, and incriminating evidence, though...
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Re: The 19th C. Blacksmith - how many were needed in town or village?
« Reply #25 on: Friday 10 March 06 23:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi

My husband's gt gt gt grandmother is Mary Lingley/Lindley dau of Thomas Lindley and Mary Deacon - all of my info about that family came off the Cosford database..  I'd be very grateful for any additional info you can give  - if they worked for themselves or for someone else - if the former I thought I'd try to trace when the smithy changed hands presumably from father to son.  I'm relatively new to family history but do live in Suffolk

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Re: The 19th C. Blacksmith - how many were needed in town or village?
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 19 March 06 05:20 GMT (UK) »
more on my blacksmith family, received a Will recently of a David Simpson who was a blacksmith and wheelwright at Wilcannia, NSW Australia. He died in 1901.

a summary of his tools:
2 pairs of bellow
3 anvils
1 tyre upsetting machine
stocks and dies
20 pairs of tongs
suages and punches
2 1/2 cwt assorted iron
100 feet stringy bark and jarrah
150 assorted gum felloes
100 ironbark spokes
2 sets waggon naves
paints and brushes.

enjoy  ;D
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